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December 21, 2016

Questions for Vanity Publisher Austin Macauley Yield Few Answers

Posted by Victoria Strauss for Writer Beware



This post has been updated.

Over at The Writers Workshop, Harry Bingham is taking a look at UK-based vanity publisher Austin Macauley.
Are they legit? Or are they scammers?

I don’t know. I honestly have no idea. But I’ve heard some concerns raised about the firm and I think the fairest thing to do is ask the question.

If it turns out that the firm is an honourable one, seeking to do the very best for its authors, then fair play to them. I will take this post down and offer the WW as a platform for the firm to market itself. I will make it absolutely clear that we have no bad word to say about them, in public or in private.

And if they’re scammers – well, then, I hope they perish. I hope they perish soon. And I hope that those responsible for the company are deeply injured, financially and reputationally, by that collapse.
To try and solve this conundrum, Harry has formulated a list of questions that he has invited AM to answer.

Now, not to steal AM's thunder, but Writer Beware has gotten a lot of reports, complaints, and questions about AM over the years, and we've gathered a good deal of information and documentation. I thought it might be illuminating to share some of that, using a few of Harry's questions as a template. (Note that I'm not attempting to speak for AM, nor am I accusing them of doing anything illegal; I'm just sharing data that I've collected.)

Question 1: What proportion of AM’s titles are ‘traditional mainstream’ and what proportion are via ‘partnership agreement’?

This is an important question. AM does reveal on its website that it offers "contributory" contracts (using the newly trendy euphemism, "hybrid," to describe its publishing model), but it also presents itself as an "innovative independent trade publisher" and states that "we look at every new manuscript with a view to offering a traditional mainstream publishing deal." This certainly encourages authors to believe that they have a good chance of a traditional offer.

But do they? Writer Beware has heard from just four authors who were offered contracts they didn't have to pay for. By contrast, we've gotten 60+ reports from authors who received fee-based offers (along with lots and lots of inquiries about AM's reputation and business practices; it's one of the publishers we receive the most questions about). Now, I'm sure that the writers who've contacted me represent only a fraction of those who've submitted to AM. Even so, the proportion of fee offers to no-fee offers does suggest--to me, at least--that the bulk of AM's business is pay-to-play.

You can see many many many many many many other author reports of Austin Macauley's fees online.

Question 3: What is the median cost to the author of these partnership agreements?

Fees in contracts Writer Beware has seen range from £1,275 to £7,700 (the heading of fee disclosure section is "Advances," except that this is an "advance" the author has to pay the publisher). Some authors are offered a choice of fees depending on which book formats they pick.

Speaking of AM's contracts, I've seen a number, both "contributory" and not. In my (non-legal; I'm not a lawyer) opinion, they are substandard. There's no stated term for the grant of rights, and discontinuance of publication is "entirely at the discretion of the publisher." In effect, this is a life-of-copyright grant, with completely inadequate provisions for rights reversion. (I've written before about the vital importance of having a good rights reversion clause in a life-of-copyright contract.)

I've also seen a number of AM's acceptance letters. There are differences depending on the rationale for offering "contributory" contracts (new author, can't take the risk; previously published author, not successful enough) but other than that it's clearly cut-and-paste, with whole passages used verbatim in multiple letters.

Question 4: Partnership implies some joint sharing of risks and rewards. So, do you contribute a sum broadly equivalent to that contributed by your authors? If, for example, your launch costs for a book are expected to be £6,000, do you ask the author for £3,000 and contribute the other support yourselves? And if not, then, please, how does it work?

Obviously, I can't answer for Austin Macauley, nor would I attempt to do so. Speaking generally, however, many pay-to-play publishers promise or imply that they are contributing part or most of the expense, and the author fee is just a portion--but in fact, what authors pay is far more likely to cover not just the whole cost of publication, but the publisher's overhead and profit as well.

Also, since fee-based publishers' profit typically comes primarily from author fees and book purchases, rather than from book sales to the public, most have little reason to invest in professional-quality editing, marketing, and distribution. In fact, they have substantial incentive to skimp on these things, since they reduce profit.

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AM has responded to Harry (sort of) in an email that can be seen at the bottom of Harry's post, and also in a post on its own blog. Neither response comes close to addressing Harry's questions. Here's AM explaining why. (UPDATE: AM has objected to Harry reproducing its email verbatim, so what appears now is a paraphrased version.)
We would like to be as transparent as possible in answering your questions. However, as I am sure you understand, many of the details you ask for could potentially require us to break confidentiality, in terms of both our business and of our authors. We plan to discuss these issues fully with Austin Macauley’s lawyers, who will tell us precisely how much information we are able to divulge to you.
Color me unimpressed. I can kinda sorta maybe understand that AM might not want to spotlight particular authors (though if their books are bestsellers, I doubt they'd mind)--but there's no confidentiality attached to most of the information Harry is asking for. Other publishers have no problem providing public information about sales and revenue.

Harry isn't impressed, either. He sums up his opinion in a followup blog post, concluding: "I think [Austin Macauley] is a vanity publisher that trades on the legitimate hopes and excusable ignorance of its clients...if you’re considering entering into a partnership agreement with Austin Macauley, then don’t. Just don’t."

I agree.

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A few more observations:
  • Coming to America! AM is UK-based, but it is expanding into the USA. It has a glitzy new US website, and a brand new office in New York City--a virtual office, that is, on the 28th floor of 40 Wall Street. Basically, a PO box. (Am I alone in finding it hilarious that this is a Trump-owned building?) Just 73 AM books are listed on Amazon US for 2015; for 2016, the number is 474. 
  • The morning after I did the research for this blog post, I clicked into a couple of news sources I like, and discovered, yet again, the power of tracking cookies.


UPDATE 12/22/16: Harry Bingham's two posts have resulted in a demand by Austin Macauley's solicitors that he remove all mention of them from his website. He is not backing down. "In our view, the instant resort to threat is a classic telltale sign of firms whose business practices fall on the wrong side of the ethical tracks."

Author and writing teacher Jurgen Wolff also received threats of legal action as a consequence of posting information about Austin Macauley.

UPDATE 4/25/17: Harry Bingham has posted copies of and commentary on Austin Macauley's contract (which is seriously substandard in a number of respects, notably its complately inadequate termination/reversion language) and its cut-and-paste acceptance letter (the several I've seen aren't precisely identical to this one--there are minor variations--but follow the same structure and include whole swaths of identical text). His conclusion:


UPDATE 6/5/17: Oh dear. Austin Macauley has decided that it's being bullied by big bad SFWA.

First, it reached out to fellow victim The Write Agenda--an organization with impeccable credentials (snert)--to ask for support (apparently not noticing that TWA hasn't been active on Twitter for over a year):
Next, it posted a long, long (long) screed accusing me, Writer Beware, and SFWA of "Bullying, Insults, and Lies"...and worse. With footnotes.
Then, to make absolutely sure the world (well, Twitter) got the point, it spammed a link to its screed to people who mentioned SFWA, including recent Nebula Award Weekend attendees:





Eventually causing SFWA to take exasperated action:
Finally, AM reached out once more to its good friend The Write Agenda, with a plaintive plea:
So far, no RTs.

UPDATE 8/16/17: A general rule of thumb: if you have to devote an entire blog post to denying (among other things) that you "trick and swindle authors," you've already lost the PR war.

Austin Macauley is currently running a contest, for which the prize is a "traditional" book contract. The contest guidelines indicate that authors are subject to "behavioral guidelines" and must refrain from "abusive language toward AMP staff at any stage in the process"--provisions you don't normally find in contests from reputable publishers (and why are they anticipating that authors might become abusive, anyway?)

The winner will receive AM's "standard traditional contract," which has serious defects, as outlined above. Also, as outlined above, pay-to-play publishers don't have much reason to invest in quality editing, marketing, distribution, etc., so even if you don't have to pay, publication may not be a prize worth winning.

UPDATE 8/24/17: AM is doubling down on its defamation of SFWA (among other things) in a new essay defending its business practices. If you have to devote an entire article to denying that you "trick and swindle authors", claiming that you don't work in a virtual office, and debunking negative employee comments on Glassdoor, you've already lost the PR war, in my opinion.

122 comments :

Pat Dilloway said...

They do sound shady.

Larry Yoakum III said...

They are not to be trusted. I had two books with them. I guess shame on me for fooling me twice. Anyway, the contracts are expired, I have my books back, and I have self published them now.
I may not be a best selling millionaire, but I wasn't going to get that with them anyway, and at least now I am my own man and on my own terms.
It isn't easy to break into the big time these days, with millions of us out there publishing our own books. But, try to maintain the mindset of 'I write because I must and not because I want money'.

Anonymous said...

Are you degenerate cyber bullies still in business?

Victoria Strauss said...

Yes, Barbara. Yes, we are.

glenda higgins said...

I just had a really bad experience with them. on top of wanting over 5000 dollars Canadian they sent me a contract wanting 75% royalties, first dibs on all my writing (no time limit in years) and a refund of some money if they haven't done anything in 60 days. UNBELIEVABLE!!!! What are they thinking?

Glenda Higgins.
by the way, they said they are doing all this because I'm an unpublished writer. I had given them my site saying, indeed I am a published writer. They are obviously brain dead on top of everything else.

Anonymous said...

One point. They have just (Jan. 2017) moved into Trump Tower on 5th Avenue. That could be because the sane tenants in the Tower have skeedaddled after the US elections. Or, it could be coincidence. At any rate, I'd love to know whether A & M is a Murdoch property. Anyone know?

Victoria Strauss said...

Anonymous 2/21,

It's not Trump Tower, but another building Trump owns, at 40 Wall Street. And it's a virtual office, not a real one.

As far as I know, AM has no connection with Murdoch.

Anonymous said...

The actual response has been added since this, which you've failed to update with.

Victoria Strauss said...

Hi, Anonymous 2/23,

I've noted AM's response in my post above (it's paraphrased--because AM demanded removal of the actual response--on Harry Bingham's blog). Is there another one that I'm not aware of?

as is ongoing said...

I was just about to walk headlong into contract with them,but was not impressed with the demand for a contribution. I am sure they say the same seductive things to everyone those being that they 'found it an engaging and absorbing read'. My daughter objected to my paying and said she would write to Austin Macauley, she thought it was the same as self publishing but with ties and commitments. Hence I have not followed the offer up. She is writing to them to quiz them about their offer, meantime I will not- in view of what people say pursue it. Gillmahoney@hotmail.com

Anonymous said...

Ref: Austin Macauley,

Hello Victoria Strauss,

In August last year, I emailed you saying AM liked my children's book, but they wanted payment ranging from £1900,£2400 and £4400, depending on which route I wanted to take with getting my book published. You responded very quickly saying other writers had paid AM's enormous fees and regretted it. It's outrageous that AM can justify charging hopeful writers such extortionate amounts of money, and that they are falling for their spiel when there is so much information that can be sourced regarding vanity publishers at the click of a button. Thank goodness people like yourself, and forums like yours are here for people such as myself. Unfortunately, however, AM and their ilk will always exist as long as people are wiling to pay to be published.

Anonymous said...

Self publishing gets a bad rap for the most part because some of the most prominent companies in the industry are super sketchy. Meanwhile, there are some very credible companies out there offering transparent services to writers wishing to have their manuscripts turned into books, and those books delivered to the market. Of course there will be an investment required to have a team of professionals assist you in this process, but if you wish to share your message or story, the option is there for you to do so. Those who think there is an easy route to publish without incurring some costs along the way are in for a long and frustrating journey.

I encourage anyone who wishes to publish to do their diligence, such as coming to a site like this for reviews, and push for clear definitive responses when it comes to things like copyright, royalties, cost for printing, requirements for ordering personal copies etc.......also, who will be working on your project? Is there transparency with the team who will be working with you, or are those services being contacted out to the lowest available bidder by the publisher?

I know of some companies who are doing an amazing job for their clients, receiving positive reviews, offering up full transparency throughout the entire process, and I hate that there are several companies in the industry who are casting a shadow over those who are operating under very credible circumstances and doing an impeccable job of it.

Self publishing is a choice, and when done right it is a privilege for writers with quality manuscripts to have the option of getting them to the market when it wouldn't have been nearly so easy to do so in years past.

My two cents.......I have nothing to contribute on Austin Macauley however, as I'm located in Canada and not so familiar with the practices of those companies overseas. However, I have appreciated the information I've read here, so gratitude for that!

Anonymous said...

What can i do if i already sent them a signed contact? Having second thoughts...

Victoria Strauss said...

Anonymous 5/10,

Please email me at beware [at] sfwa.org. All information shared with Writer Beware is held in confidence.

Anonymous said...

Hi, can you confirm how many non upfront fee contribution books AM have published here in the UK. I have received a contribution contract from then (as an unknown author they say) asking for £2,500. They say for this I also get hard copies of the book, paperback copies and promotional material. I am being gullible about them publishing my work? Thanks.

Victoria Strauss said...

Anonymous 6/06,

AM claims about a 50/50 ratio of fee-based to non-fee-based contracts, but as far as I know it hasn't provided any verifiable numbers to support that claim. I can tell you that while I've gotten a handful of reports from authors who weren't asked to pay (fewer than five), I've heard from scores of authors who were asked for thousands of pounds.

The fact that you're an unknown author does not mean you must pay to be published. If traditional publishing is your goal, I encourage you to pursue it; no reputable publisher will refuse to consider a marketable manuscript just because the author hasn't published before or isn't well-known. They are well aware that future best-sellers and literary stars come from the ranks of the previously unpublished.

If you'd prefer to self-publish, you can get a similar package of services (with a much less restrictive contract) from any number of self-publishing service providers. For more information, see the Self-Publishing page of Writer Beware.

Anonymous said...

Hi. I signed a contract with AM over a year ago and have paid them a substantial fee (as an unknown author, so they explained). I now appreciate this was naive, because we're 13 months on and I still haven't got a final draft. When i phone the offices, i get told the only person i can speak to is the head of publishing, by he is dodging my phone calls and is not answering my emails. Any ideas what i can do? All they keep telling me is they have too much work and not enough staff! I don't know the publishing industry and went to AM because they promised they would look after me and my work. I feel really let down.

Victoria Strauss said...

Anonymous 6/17,

AM has been expanding; it now has US operations and is threatening to open in Australia. I wonder if perhaps it's suffering growing pains and is short-staffed, resulting in production delays. Certainly the excuses they're giving you would fit with that.

What you may (or may not) be able to do depends on the wording of your contract. Please contact me via email (beware [at] sfwa.org) and I'll try to help.

Unknown said...

Sadly I fell for the charm of this vanity publishers and felt like I was being offered a chance to publish a book. I specifically stated I couldn't do any contributions, they kept me waiting the full six weeks before sending a contract asking me to pay £2500 towards the costs. Thank goodness I found this thread before I signed and sent it back. They make you feel valued and interested in you, when in fact they are stringing you along and reeling you in. Very sad. Thank you for your advice.

Anonymous said...

Thank goodness I found this site! Today we (author and illustrator) received a contract from Austin Macauley... remarkably the wording was similar to that stated in previous blogs.. It's a shame that predators like these exist in both publishing and art galleries... giving these industries an appalling reputation. I have not signed the contract and have no intention of doing so. thank you for taking the effort to share your experiences so that novices like us do not fall into the same trap!

Anonymous said...

I received a contract for my novel, requesting $2500 to be published.
I probably won't do it, but I don't necessarily distrust AM. It seems it could
be a step above just plain self publishing. Some of the comments in the letter
seemed personalized. Anyway, if I had the money around I'd throw it at them,
but as is I'll probably just sit on the book.

salieri said...

Who could deny the gratification of opening the post and finding a folder marked "Austin Macauley Publishing Contract"? Admittedly the thrill did wear off somewhat when I read a covering letter addressed to someone else, followed by a paragraph which is evidently standard drivel - "The Board commented on your compelling characters, who each drive the plot forward and increase dramatic tension, which finally culminates to [sic] a moving finish" - and made me wonder whether anyone had actually read it at all. Likewise the recommendation that "any real names used be change [sic]" because the novel "is based on very real and personal events" (it isn't).

And then finally you get to the "contribution" of £2,300 which you are expected to make to them because you are a relatively new author (wrong again: I am a completely new author) which, absurdly, appears under a clause called '"Advances".


And then you read the rest of the contract. The striking thing about the favourable reviews on this page - and there are many - is that they don't say they have sold a single copy. What Austin Macauley actually do to promote book, I am not in a position to say; what I can say is that while they agree contractually to do so they have "full discretion as to the nature and extent of any promotion and distribution", that the means of promoting and marketing "may include" making the Work available to the trade and the media but obviously may not, and that distribution (save for review copies) is not even mentioned.

Other areas where they retain absolute discretion are: making alterations to your manuscript, choice of format and style, the size of the print-run, and discontinuing and remaindering your work at any time they wish. Finally there is a gagging clause which prohibits any adverse comment about the Publisher: why, you wonder, would they feel the need to insert a clause like that?


I wrote to Austin Macauley to say that I had no objection in principle to vanity publishing, but was concerned that the contract provided for no minimum print-run and no enforceable commitment to marketing and/or promotion of any specific kind - above all guaranteed distribution to a single bookshop. This meant that in theory the fee could lawfully be used to cover the author's complimentary copies and nothing more, at which stage the work could even be discontinued at their discretion. There has been no reply: why am I not surprised?

I would respect this organisation more if it said upfront, simply and candidly: we will charge you a fee for printing a few copies of your book to give to your family and friends, but don't expect any further commitment on our part.

Vanity takes many forms, but happily it doesn't always include stupidity.

salieri said...

I need to add: lengthy and courteous reply just received - but still no contractual commitments...

Victoria Strauss said...

salieri,

Publishers don't typically provide the kinds of guarantees you're looking for in their contracts. They prefer flexibility to make such determinations as part of the publishing process, based on various factors including profit and loss projections.

Reputable publishers invest their own resources (rather than yours) in the publishing process, and therefore need to sell books in order to recoup that investment and make a profit. Publishing models vary--small presses, for instance, save money by relying on print-on-demand technology to produce books only when ordered, rather than doing print runs--but in general, authors can reasonably expect a reputable publisher to do as much as it can to support the books it publishes, even without specific guarantees in the contract.

That open-endedness, unfortunately, benefits unscrupulous and vanity publishers, which like reputable publishers don't include guarantees in their contracts, but also don't do most of what reputable publishers do. Vanity publishers aren't likely to do print runs or invest in quality editing, distribution, or marketing, because their primary profit is made up-front, from authors' fees, and they don't want to cut into that too much. As for book sales, those are gravy.

The "you have to pay because you're a new author" thing is bunk. Reputable publishers don't charge fees to new authors any more than they do to established authors. After all, every established author was once a newbie.

salieri said...

Victoria,

Thanks for these interesting comments.

I suppose it comes down to this, doesn't it: a conventional publisher (who takes the risk if your work is worth publishing in the first place) may not guarantee a minimum print run but has an obvious interest in making sales in order to recoup his advance at the very least. A publisher who demands a contribution and makes no commitments - at least legally enforceable ones - may, conceivably, have no interest in producing any more than the complimentary copies you've already paid for upfront.

AM say this is not so because the author's contribution of £2,300 is only about a third of their production costs, so that they too are making an investment which it would make no sense not to recoup (and let's leave aside their taking 75% of the putative royalties). That, surely, depends at least partially on the number of copies they actually do decide to produce and the distribution costs they choose to incur, if any, so the argument seems to me to be entirely circular.

Putting it neutrally, there is a gulf between their expressions of intent - "we will look to distribute on a national level and then internationally should the projected sales be met or exceeded" - and their contractual obligations, which are almost non-existent. And I speak as a contract lawyer.

Victoria Strauss said...

salieri,

You're exactly right. Also, you have no way to know for sure whether your "contribution" is a third of the cost, or three-quarters of the cost, or 100% of the cost plus overhead and profit. An audit could tell you, if your contract included an audit clause--but only well after the fact.

There's a detailed discussion of vanity publishers, and the various ploys they use to disguise themselves, at the Writer Beware website, if you're interested. Also feel free to email me: beware [at] sfwa.org

Anonymous said...

I have ZERO reason to post a comment here other than to warn others. If authors spent 30 minutes online searching experiences from authors who worked with these Publishers before them- they could save themselves agony and money. I add my name to the hundreds of others who received the exact same responses word-for-word from this Publishing house. I was nothing more than a mark they were trying to extort money from. This is their business- they feed off of authors who don't have the confidence and patience to wait for a valid offer. They are quick to harass you, defend themselves against being called Vanity houses and have no problem degrading you in an attempt to get money. Authors- you are better than this. They are not worth your time. There are other Publishers who actually spend their time fostering your growth and writing... instead of writing hate mail (attempting to defend themselves) from new authors. Seek out Publishers who will build you up, instead of break you down. Seek out a home for your book with hands who will nurture it, instead of those that will rip it apart trying to get to your wallet.

Anonymous said...

I just sent them a PDF with part of my book. Now they are requesting the whole book. After reading this blog,... Vanity is the favorite sin of evil.
I feel like a stupid.

Eileen Maksym said...

I tweeted the call for AM to answer Harry's questions recently. They responded with some BS, and I called them on it. https://twitter.com/AustinMacauley/status/889419113243791363 It will be interesting to see how they respond...

Victoria Strauss said...

Adding linkage to Eileen Maksym's tweet. It's worth checking out for a look at AM's, um, extremely mature and professional responses. With GIFs. Sad!

Eileen Maksym said...

They deleted all their tweets and blocked me. Which is sort of satisfying, really. I just wish I had screencaps.

Eileen Maksym said...

Oh wait! Nope, tweets are still there. Enjoy them while they last!

Victoria Strauss said...

They've now blocked me too. The shame!

E.D. Erasmus said...

Thank you, Writers Beware, for your post.
related to this, however, I have a few questions and concerns.
Firstly, there are legitimate self publishing establishments available, which deliver a professional and dedicated service, which further acts in the author's best interest. But, of course, there are also scammers out there.
as such, based on information gathered from commenters on the net, AM offers a mid way plan.half traditional, half self published. As such, I would assume a contract of this nature to outweigh one which is purely of a self publishing nature?
Further, when considering a contract with AM, is there room for negotiation? This is not stipulated on this post, and if someone could offer expert assistance in an area which the publishing house insists requires contribution, marketing or distribution, for instance. Would the contribution ammount be up for negotiation? I see this as a positive possibility, since I can understand the need for contrabutions. A traditional publisher takes a risk on an author, financially, and in the entirety of the publication process, which is why they are so selective in accepting works, right? When self publishing can meet traditional publishing to eliminate some of the risks, it takes away some of that selectiveness and more authors can get published. This, to me, seems like a positive avenue. This would also explain the traditional to hybrid publications ratio as explained in your post above?
They do say on their site that they offer hybrid contracts, and they do say they look at each submission with the possibility to extend a traditional publishing contract. This is backed up by having published works traditionally, regardless of the number of authors who have been fortunate enough to have such contracts offered to them. In addition, with regards to their hybrid contracts, they offer monthly plans. This further helps the author.
Further more, in asking for a contribution from the author, AB invites the author to act as a partner throughout the process of getting the work published and marketed well. With that said, any concerns related to editorial quality can be monitored.
Thank you for the post. The information here is helpful, but not entirely informative and, I think, somewhat biased.
(This is just my opinion, and I in no way wish to offend anyone)

Anonymous said...

I was super tempted to start a deal with them after reading their website, but I'm relieved I went ahead with some better judgement and did my research beforehand. That said, can anyone list some reputable companies to talk to, traditional and self-publishers? If we pool our resources, we can help hundreds of newbies from getting sucked into the machine... Thanks!!!

Victoria Strauss said...

E.D. Erasmus,

One of the important differences between using a self-publishing platform and using a vanity publisher or hybrid publisher (not the same thing, by the way, though many vanity publishers would like you to think so) is that with a self-pub platform, you grant only limited publishing rights, grant them non-exclusively, and can terminate the agreement at any time for any reason. With a vanity or hybrid publisher, you typically grant not just publishing rights but a range of subsidiary rights, on an exclusive basis, for a period of years or for the life of copyright, without the option to terminate. If you decide that self-publishing isn't working for you, you can quit at any time. With vanity publishers, when things go wrong, you are stuck.

In recent years, self-publishing has become a viable alternative career path for authors, many of whom are realizing substantial success. The stigma that used to attach to it is pretty much gone. That's not true for vanity publishing. It's as poorly regarded as it ever was.

As for authors' contributions encouraging partnership...keep in mind that a publisher that takes on the whole cost of publication has a strong incentive to get your book into the hands of readers, since selling books is the only way it can recoup its investment. With a publisher that makes money from you up front, that incentive is substantially diminished. This is the fallacy of the rationale vanity publishers often use to justify their fees, that new writers are a bigger risk: if they are so risky that the publisher requires them to pay for publication, why would the publisher compound the risk by investing any of its own resources? The only reason to claim that fees represent part of the cost--as opposed to the whole cost plus overhead and profit--is to make you feel better about handing over large sums of cash. If you believe you're a partner who has been chosen for a privilege rather than a customer buying a service, you'll be more likely to say "yes" to big fees, even if you didn't expect them when you submitted. Vanity publishers play a blatant psychological game.

Self-publishing costs money to do right, but in terms of control, flexibility, and reputability, it offers a much better return on your investment.

Victoria Strauss said...

Anonymous 8/04,

For reputable traditional publishers, the latest edition of a good market guide (such as Writer's Digest's Writers Market in the USA, or Writers' and Artists' Yearbook in the UK) is a good place to look, as is your local bookstore (one of the things that distinguishes reputable publishers is their ability to get books into physical stores). Also see Writer Beware's Small Presses page for information and resources.

For self-publishing, I usually suggest that authors start by investigating the free or low-cost services with good reputations in the self-pub community: Createspace, IngramSpark, and Lulu if they want to do print as well as ebooks, and Smashwords, Draft2Digital, and the direct-to-ereading-device services (Amazon's Kindle Direct Publishing, Barnes & Noble's Nook Press, and Kobo's Kobo Writing Life) if they want to do an ebook only.

I generally advise authors to avoid the Author Solutions self-publishing services (iUnverse, Xlibris, Trafford, AuthorHouse, BookTango, and the self-pub services Author Solutions runs for major publishers, including Thomas Nelson's WestBow Press and Hay House's Balboa Press), since I've received many complaints about quality, price, and high-pressure sales tactics.

Some self-publishing services claim to specialize in particular genres (such as self-help) or markets (such as the Christian market). This really isn't meaningful. Self-pub services do no targeted marketing (unless you buy it a la carte), and they all use the same distribution channels.

For information to help you comparison shop, a rundown on the benefits and challenges of self-publishing, and links to helpful resources, see Writer Beware's Self-Publishing page.

Eileen Maksym said...

Victoria, have you ever known of anyone being turned down by AM? Or am I correct in assuming they pretty much take everyone?

Sara said...

Eileen Maksym 8/5/2017 12.20 AM - Ref: Your question Whether AM has turned anyone down. Although Victoria Strauss will be able to give you a better answer than me, however, in my estimation the only time AM has turned anyone down is if their workload is too much, or more than likely is a writer had written something like a 500+ page manuscript, or someone has a heavily illustrated children's book, which will no doubt eat into their profit margins, where they may have to spend some of their own money to get the book printed and published, instead of relying solely on the writers money, which is not how it should be in the first place.

Anonymous said...

I recently had a contract from them, where they called my manuscript "a delightful story for children" that they want to "illustrate with charming stylised graphics" - which makes me wonder if it's copy/paste from another letter, considering my book is strongly centred around sex... So unless it's meant to be an inappropriate how-to illustration book for minors, I'm not completely sure how they can categorise it as that. lol.

Victoria Strauss said...

Eileen Maksym,

I have personally never heard from anyone who has been rejected by AM--which probably just reflects the emails I get, rather than anything about AM's rejection policy. AM doesn't provide any verifiable statistics about submissions, so it's really impossible to know what their rejection rate is.

However, speaking generally, a publisher that relies on author fees for income can't afford to be too picky. Even if they do reject some manuscripts (for instance, for the reasons that Sara suggests in her comment), it's probable that their rejection rate is fairly small, and their acceptance rate is much larger and much less rigorous than that of a non-vanity publisher.

Anonymous 8/07,

You are not the first author who's gotten an acceptance letter or submission invitation for the wrong book. That also should speak to Eileen's question.

BrandNewAuthor said...

I apologize for muddying the waters on Austin Macauley, but have you ever reviewed Indigo River Publishing? They are in Pensacola, Florida and pretty much do the same....will publish if you pay 40% (about $6500) before even seeing a copy of the book. Have you reviewed them before and I missed it?

Victoria Strauss said...

BrandNewAuthor,

I've gotten several questions about Indigo River, but no complaints to date (which just means that if there are problems, no one has contacted me). Indigo River claims to offer both fee-free and paid contracts, but I strongly suspect that pay-to-play is their primary--if not their only--business. If they're like most pay-to-play publishers, the author fee isn't part of the cost; it's carefully calculated to cover not only the entire expense of publishing, but the publisher's overhead and profit as well.

Indigo River was formerly called Zander House (or Zanderhouse) Publishing. Various complaints about it and its owner, Dan Vega, can be found online.

For questions like this, you can contact me directly: beware [at] sfwa.org.

Hennessy said...

Yep - I've also just received a juicy letter from AM and the offer of a contributory contract for an equivalent amount of $4,000. Reason - unpublished author. So what I'm hearing is that the squeaky wheels of the publishing world, with their glossy sites , etc. etc. are catching many of us who just want to make our voices heard. So, my question - who are the legit publishers that we can turn to? Can anyone offer up a list so I can keep writing for a genuine publisher without having to keep watching my back? This said, it occurs to me that there is definitely a rollicking good tale of adventure and intrigue about all this somewhere out there.

Anonymous said...

I agree, Hennessy! I got offered a deal for $6,000. Wow, what a deal.

Can you give us a list of authentic publishing houses that will NOT expect us to foot a large portion of the publishing cost? I've been told you need to get a literary agent, but so often there are posts that list new agents at different companies, but they are sometimes with these "fake" publishers.

It costs money to hire a literary agent, right? Can you help us out?

Your response would be great! Thank you!

Victoria Strauss said...

Hennessy and Anonymous 9/08,

I'm often asked for a list of "best" publishers. That's impossible to provide--not only because there are so many good publishers, but because publishers often specialize in particular markets or genres, and the best publisher for one author might be totally inappropriate for another.

It does not cost any money to hire a reputable literary agent (disreputable agents are a different story, but you don't want one of those). Like real estate agents, literary agents earn commissions on sales. Because they only earn when you do, they are highly motivated not just to sell your book, but to get the best possible deal.

One good way to find reputable publishers is to go to the bookstore or library. Getting print books into physical locations is one marker (though by no means the only one) of a professional publisher. Another way is to invest in the latest version of a good market guide, such as Writer's Market from Writer's Digest Books (in the USA) or Writers and Artists' Yearbook (in the UK). Another way: read the reviews in industry publications like Publishers Weekly or The Bookseller to see who is publishing what.

If you want to submit to an imprint of the Big 5 or to one of the larger independents, you do need a literary agent. Few large publishers' imprints are open to unagented authors, and even those that do read unagented manuscripts give them very, very low priority, and can take forever to respond--plus, the person who reads your submission probably won't be an editor with the power to make an offer to buy your book, but an assistant or an intern. It can take a long time to find an agent, but once you do s/he can significantly cut down the response time--and get your manuscript onto the desk of an editor who will pay attention to it.

If you want to look for an agent, there's an article on my personal website you may find helpful--it offers some tips about researching and querying agents, plus a technique that's designed to help exclude the questionable ones from your query list. Also see the Literary Agents page of Writer Beware, which includes general information as well as a list of cautions and warnings.

There are also plenty of reputable small presses, which don't have the promotion and distribution clout of the large houses but nevertheless can do an excellent job of publishing and selling your book. If you want to try with these, you don't need an agent--most smaller publishers are used to dealing directly with authors (though if you get a contract offer, you should certainly get qualified advice before you sign). Some advice on researching small presses, as well as links to reasonably reliable online resources to help you locate them, can be found on Writer Beware's Small Presses page.

Just a caution about small presses: you do need to be careful. Many small presses have been set up by people who know little or nothing either about publishing or running a business, and may have author-unfriendly contracts or hidden fees or a whole host of other problems, including abrupt closure without notifying authors. When Writer Beware started, most of the complaints we got were about literary agents; now they're about small presses. It is by no means impossible to find a great small press to work with. Just, again...be careful. Don't submit to a small press without thoroughly researching it.

Hope this helps. Let me know if you have other questions.

Anonymous said...

Just got an impressive folder, 2-page letter and two contracts for my book. They were cheaper than Indigo Publishing, asking about half of what IP asked. Their fee was $3300.

I do have a question. Is it expensive to get an ISBN number? There is no mention of that, although I just briefly read their contract before checking here.

This is so disappointing....

Anonymous said...

Ps... I wasn't specif about the above post. The offer was from AM.

Norm said...

AM ran a novel writing competition with entries closing August 31st. First prize was a traditional publishing contract valued "up to" (yes) around $15AU. The winner was to be announced on their website in September. I had just finished writing my book so I thought "why not" and submitted my manuscript. It is now October and no winner has been announced. I emailed them. Unfortunately for their editorial staff, the quality of the submissions was so high that the judges are having trouble deciding upon a winner, though I had already been weeded out. However, my writing was meritorious enough to be offered a contributor contract. Today I have asked to see their proposal (waiting for a reply), but the whole process seems fishy and that's what led me to this forum. Will I do this deal? Don't think so.
Is it even legal to run a bogus competition to sucker people into submitting their work? The only reason I did it was that the bigger publishing houses take longer to respond than one month, so I thought I'd give it a shot. What's to lose? A month? How about a sackful of cash?

Eileen Maksym said...

Smashwords, a free publishing platform, also offers ISBNs for free.

Norm said...

To clarify above: $15K (Aust). Obviously I would not be interested in a $15 prize. That was a typo.

Victoria Strauss said...

Norm,

AM wouldn't be the first vanity publisher to run a contest in part to draw in paying customers. Some vanity publisher-sponsored writing contests have that explicit agenda. Along with the probable lack of quality editing, distribution, and marketing (vanity publishers have little incentive to cut into the profit they realize from author fees and self-purchases by investing in high-quality services), it's another reason not to enter them.

Anonymous said...

Thanks, Victoria, for clarifying that many vanity publishers would be running contests. Why would the major publishers even bother? They get the "cream of the crop" without doing such promotions. Sad.

Norm said...

Hello Vicki,
You’re dead right about the editing service. When I realised what I was looking at re AM I decided to check out a few of their books on Amazon. Listed titles have sneak preview pages and a cursory glance gives you a very good idea about content.
The sad part here is that there was a book that I had a particular interest in. One of my readers once asked me if I had written anything on WW2 Pacific aviation with an Australian flavour (oddly enough, no, I hadn’t – that was a very specific request!) and one such e-book was available on Amazon via one of the other vanity publishers. I decided to have a look at the book with a view to recommending it to the fellow who had expressed an interest but the copy edit was woeful: words not capitalised, poor spelling, you name it. Whether the story was interesting or not I cannot say because I didn’t bother reading past the first two pages. The poor bloke who wrote that novel has not got his value for money and has lost at least one potential sale on account of it.
Other than basic layout and design (which you can do yourself), vanity publishers offer no services that you can’t get from a commercial printer. Plus, printers do not charge you for more than you are receiving. You do not get professional editing and you do not get marketing. AM and their like are doing more harm than good to the prospects of budding authors, many of whom discover too late the true purpose of those predatory companies.
P.S. I think I have a name for a shonky character in my next novel: Austin McOrley. lol

Anonymous said...

I know someone who just announced that AM has published his book. I know for a fact that he is not a good writer and not an original thinker. We worked together for years and he used to cut and paste pretty much everything and reuse old stuff in new contexts. When he told me he was writing a book, I remember feeling very worried that he would end up plagiarizing -- not necessarily intentionally but just out of a long bad habit and laziness. My question: do you think AM would run the text through a plagiarism filter before publishing or do they just depend on the author for this?

Anonymous said...

After reading all these comments I realise I have been one of the authours that has screwed as well. I tried to query the amount of royalty I recieved,10.80, knowing there were alot more of my books sold.

What I would like to know is, how can I get out of the contract? Do I need to pay for a solicitor?Or can someone give me help? I don't really need to spend more money if I can. I have already lost enough. Cheers.

Mitchell said...

This site is truly valuable, and I thank everyone for their comments and Victoria for her clarifications. You've all saved me a great deal of angst and a lot of dough.

AM emailed me late in the summer (2017) asking why I hadn't responded to their "earlier email" (? which I cannot find and never saw if/when it did arrive) asking about a manuscript of mine which I self-published a couple years ago. This in itself was baffling. I answered to say as much; they then wrote a poorly composed request with surprisingly bad usage and grammar, asking for the first part of my ms, which I sent off. Subsequent request for the entire shebang. Which I sent them. I admit: I was very flattered although still mystified. I did some research and found out exactly what other people were alarmed about.

6 weeks later I received The AM Contract. Since I had done some homework, I had been forewarned by far too many negative reports. I'm about to politely turn their offer down. Incidentally, their authors' "participatory" payment scale has risen to disturbing heights: 4500 pounds? I'm trying to survive on far fewer US/$$s, when one does the exchange rate. Even if I had decided to ignore the perilous seduction presented to an "unknown author" such as I, I couldn't in a thousand years afford to send them their tithe.

I've spent decades working in the publishing biz as an illustrator, and have met countless authors and editors. The companies I worked for never asked for such donations and you've certainly clarified why. Again, many thanks!

Victoria Strauss said...

Anonymous 11/13,

You asked how to get out of your publishing contract. For life-of-copyright contracts like those offered by AM, this is a tough question. I do have some suggestions, all of which are worth trying, but none of which, unfortunately, offer any guarantees; you can find them in my blog post, Getting Out of Your Book Contract (Maybe). Best of luck.

Anonymous writer said...

Authors should not waste time, effort and money with these folks called Austin Macauley which poses as publishers. They don't have book markets apart from placing a few copies on Amazon which no one buys.

Anonymous said...

I agree with your comment, Anonymous writer. Austin Macauley is just another sham. They want you to think they've chosen your book to publish, but oh, wait, can you cough up several thousand dollars? NO WAY!!!

Silvia10014 said...

I am so very grateful to find this today. I just received a "Publishing Contract" from Austin Macauley and was quite excited until I carefully read it. In the mid-nineties I had two novels published by the very reputable and marvelous Serpents Tail, London. AM says because that was decades ago they were able to offer me only a "contributory contract." I almost fell for it! Then I googled them and found your brilliant, carefully written and very informative site. Thanks to you, I just e-mailed them a "no thank you".

Laura Snyder said...

I did what research I could for AM before I sent my work in (I thought). Of course this site came up only after I was offered a contributory contract and googled its meaning. I am a published freelance writer with two dozen articles to serve as platform and still was asked to pay $3,100.00.
Another red flag was the clause of Author's Responsibility which pretty much said I agree not to say or write anything that would adversely affect the promotion of my work (duh, who would?), or that of the publisher or any of its employees or reps, prior to, during or after the production of my work (warning, warning, warning!!)
I am so disappointed that this company is a wolf in sheep's clothing. Thanks for the info.

Anonymous said...

Silvia, I couldn't help shaking my head "yes" when I read your post. That's exactly how it was for me as far as after reading the full contract, I saw they wanted $3,000 from me and restrictions.

Laura, I tried to research some of the publishers, but it's almost impossible when you get an email that says "These Publishing Houses are Accepting Manuscripts." I just jumped on those that my book fell into the genre they wanted. Now I have decided to give it a rest for a while, maybe never do any more. I liked the type of writing I did; I don't want to do erotica, lesbian, gay, etc. or murder mysteries. I am what I am, and this incident has taught me (and others that read this) that you have to watch your back or it will get stabbed by these publishers!

Silvia10014 said...

Dear "Anonymous"! I think we are all pretty much in the same ballpark -- they wanted $3,100 from me. It never occurred to me to do any research. They were so forthright about saying they accepted manuscripts without an agent. Not a mention, not a hint, was made of being a vanity publisher. So, really, in retrospect, they were deceitful from the start. However, please, whatever you do, never give up your writing. For one thing, it is a remarkable outlet for emotions that have no place else to go. So keep writing and stay positive. I was blessed in the mid-90's to have a great agent who succeeded in getting my first two novels published in London. He has passed away. I will keep looking for an agent who is interested in literary fiction. All the best . . .

Anonymous said...

Silvia, thank you so much for your comments. I feel I have put my heart and soul into this book, yet it seems like crime, science fiction, fantasy are all much more in demand than a story about a woman who overcomes depression and the male-dominated business world. For the meantime, I will leave my manuscript as it is: "too long for paperback publication." (Another thing I didn't know until the first con artist responded favorably to it. I may return to it in the future, but it seems quite hopeless these days. I know those are not positive words, but that is the way I feel now. Thank you again for your message.

Victoria Strauss said...

Silvia, Laura, and Anonymous, thanks for your comments. I'm glad you found my post.

Anonymous, what's your actual word count? Publishers do have preferred word counts for different genres, but not for formats such as paperback or hardcover.

Anonymous said...

Thank you for posting this I just received a shady contract from AM that tried to make me pay 2700 pounds because I’m an unknown author. Crooks it’s real!!!

Silvia10014 said...

My actual word count is 57,640 words. My first two novels published in London were roughly the same -- between 55,000 and 60,000 words. I want to add one thing here that may be helpful to others. After I read and reviewed the AM publishing contract, I did write and acknowledge it and say I was not interested. They responded asking why. I told them I was not interested in any "contributory contract." They responded and said they would delete my manuscript from their database. I think it's important for everyone to let them know your intent so they can delete anything of yours if that is your wish. Good luck to all!

Anonymous said...

Victoria, I believe it is around 400 pages, although I have been going through it periodically and cutting portions to make it acceptable.

Victoria Strauss said...

AM's acceptance letters are largely cut-and-paste (I've seen a number of them). They vary mostly in the rationale for offering a "contributory" contract. If you're a new writer, it's because new writers are a risk. If you have publishing credits, it's because they are old, or not similar enough, or some other reason. The point is that nearly everyone gets asked for money, and the rationale for why, in any individual case, is just window dressing.

Anonymous,

Publishers consider manuscript length by word count, not page count (since page count can vary a lot depending on how you format the pages and what font you use). Speaking very generally, and also depending on the publisher and the genre (for example, YA books are often shorter, while speculative fiction has more tolerance for longer lengths), the sweet spot is somewhere between 80,000 and 120,000 words.

Anonymous said...

Silvia, I did not tell them to delete my manuscript, but I would assume that they would only because they deemed it a discarded deal. Maybe I should have....it's been a long time, I wonder if it would be worth emailing them.

Victoria, at least 2 of the publishers that wanted me to pay for printing said 400 words was absolutely too large, to cut it back. I assumed that the general standard for paperback was less, as one company said 400 words translated into about 900 pages, and no paperback is that large.

Victoria Strauss said...

You don't need to tell them to delete your manuscript. If they offered you a "contributory" contract, they aren't interested in you unless you hand over the cash.

There is no way a publisher can judge manuscript length from page count. Is it single-spaced? Double-spaced? Big margins? Small margins? Big font? Small font? Depending on these factors, 400 manuscript pages could boil down to 200 printed pages (which most certainly is NOT too long) or bulk up to 800 pages (which, for most new authors, is indeed too long). That's why real publishers ask for word count, not page count. Also, in terms of preferred length, there's no difference between paperback and hardcover.

Publishers that take author fees make most of their profit from the fees (rather than from book sales to the public), so they have a vested interest in shorter books, which cost less to print (especially if they're using print-on-demand technology, which is a more expensive printing process). That's why they told you to shorten your manuscript--not because of any issues of quality or reader preference. Pay-to-play publishers' decisions on what to publish are based entirely on profit calculations, not on literary or commercial merit.

Anonymous said...

I just pulled up the manuscript (before editing out a lot) and it is 148,117 words, 392 pages in a Word doc, double spaced, Times New Roman size 12. I believe the margins are 1 inch.

I've considered printing it through the Amazon option, but I just feel that if publishers don't want my work, why spend the money?

Sara said...

Interestingly, it would seem Austin Macauley's reviews on Google have dropped from 4.5 stars to 4.1 stars, with writers only giving them 1 stars out of five. Nevertheless, 4.1 out of 5 stars is still a good rating for AM, despite the recent negative publicity it has received.

However, I fail to see why authors who have had to pay such hefty fees are giving these so-called 'publishers' such a good appraisal, perhaps, because they have paid a lot of money they might feel they have no other choice but to 'sing the praises of AM,' or were not interested in making money from their writing, and only wanted to give copies of their books to family and friends, as nothing about book sales are mentioned.

Last year Harry Bingham asked AM how much money do authors earn in back in book sales/royalties, though he didn't ask for names of individual writers. Instead of AM giving Harry Bingham a straightforward answer, they were 'hedging,' (being evasive) using the excuse that they couldn't disclose such information, more or less saying it would breach the confidentiality of their authors. How? AM are not doctors and their authors are not patients with illnesses.

Have authors who have paid AM made back anything in royalties?

Vicky Beel said...

Thank you so much for this! I found it just in the perfect time. I was actually referred to AM by a personal source and they were somewhat appalled when they found out I was being asked for a Contributory Contract. Since I am a new author, the "untried author" part made sense. So, I started searching and found this! So many similarities! I will be interested to see their response since I just sent my email regarding my decision.

I would be interested to find out how the published authors did regarding their success through AM.

Victoria R. said...

I also received a contribution contract and instantly discarded it. Money flows to us as authors and not away from us. Also check out the other rights your give up at the end of the contract like film rights, audio rights, and others. No thanks, AM!

D.M. Williams said...

Update. Austin Macauley sucks. Terrible business practices with no remorse whatsoever. They’re making a ton of money off of dreams of aspiring authors. It’s mad. Additionally, my book was released in December...& buyers STILL can’t even purchase it because AM hasn’t worked out their distribution kinks. I’ve had supporters complain they still haven’t received the books they purchased nearly a month ago. Complete and utter bullshit. They give you the run around and avoid you once they’ve screwed up.

Silvia10014 said...

To D.M. Williams. I am sorry to hear this. I read all the reviews and avoided getting involved but I am still sympathetic for anyone who did. However, maybe they will work out the kinks and your work will be properly distributed. Have you been satisfied with the way they worked with you otherwise? Were they respectful of your work and your words? Have you seen the final product and are you happy with the way it looks? Please keep us informed and let us know what happens. Best of luck.

Matt Nolan said...

Just received a letter asking for the final manuscript. Although it was after I sent the copy of the manuscript via email I am sooo happy I took the time and read these horror stories and terrible reviews!!

Anonymous writer said...

Rogue Vanity press Austin Macauley is not to be trusted. They are remorseless crooks. No one really knows where they are. Its owners are said to be in Cambridgeshire but their shady scamming business operates from a virtual office in London. No one should fear their threats of their legal action in reaction to unfavourable observations about the rogue vanity press. A legal action against someone would expose them more and perhaps with great negative consequences to themselves. As Miriam Grace of Melbourne in Australia who lost a great deal of money to the rogues describes says, they are crooks, thieves and liars.

Anonymous said...

Hi

I have just sent a signed contract to these guys, but am having serious doubts about them. Even more so after reading some of the above.
Is there anything I can do?

Rhonda Petrey said...

Thank you. I just got a contribution contract from AM for a children’s book I wrote. Telling me it was good & should be published but as a new writer they couldn’t take a chance however if I would pay an advance of £2700 they would publish it & have it illustrated. You reinforced my gut feeling that this was a scam. Rhonda
Petrey

Anonymous said...

I received a publishing offer recently (I sent my manuscript to everyone). My spidey sense tingled firstly when they used words like "...alongside other famous publications." "...have a chance within the hugely competitive children's book market.". I come from a marketing background, I know catch and reel phrases. Why are they trying to sell me on publishing my own book? Fishy.
Secondly, the fact that they were already on the ball and stated they were happy to arrange a payment plan for the shocking author contribution amount (4500GBP). ie we'll take your money in whatever way you want, just give it over.
Thirdly, the fact that they have limited the number of graphics (twelve) to be produced by their graphics department. The fact that they weren't using illustrators was fishy.
Thirdly, the royalties are 25%? That's WELL above industry standard. In what world would they offer this, unless they had nothing left to lose, ie had already made their money elsewhere? Not only that, there was no mention of the number of books they would print.
And finally, they had no interest in contacting me any other way. They just sent through a contract! No 'let's meet/Skype/coffee and discuss your book'. Hey random stranger here's a binding contract. Hmmmmm....

A publisher takes responsibility for the financial risk of publishing your book - that's their job. It's literally what they do. That's why they pay editors to sift through and pick the ones they believe will sell. Moreover, it's their job to market and sell your book to make their money, not to ask you for your manuscript and your cash. No legit publisher would EVER ask the author for money, under any circumstances, do not agree to any that do.

Needless to say I didn't sign.

Silvia10014 said...

dear Anonymous, thanks for sharing your story -- your marketing background makes it particularly powerful.

What I found most unsettling was that they sent an actual CONTRACT! Most writers would be so honored by that gesture that they would sign on the dotted line without question. I've had two novels published and had a wonderful agent so I knew a little better. I didn't sign a thing and sent them an e-mail saying I wasn't interested but thank you very much.

As you say, and it is something we must all remember, "no legit publisher would EVER ask the author for money under any circumstances
".

Good luck!

Anonymous said...

Well said, Anonymous! It's a shame there are so many publishers that are happy to take authors' money and not live up to their promises..

Anonymous said...

Although I haven`t signed AM`s contract [ and nor will I] I am concerned that they may seek to use my already sent manuscript.

Should I ask [ can I] for my manuscript back or ask that they delete it. Or can they do whatever they want with it?

Are my concerns misplaced?

Victoria Strauss said...

Anonymous 3/02,

If you were offered a contract with a fee, the fee is AM's interest in you. It has no incentive to publish unless you pay. In addition, even vanity publishers will be reluctant to risk the kind of bad publicity and legal action that can result from copyright theft. Ask them to delete your manuscript if it makes you feel more comfortable, but you really don't need to worry.

Silvia10014 said...

I too was sent a contract after my initial interest in AM. Once I read the contract, I got jittery and wrote to them that I was not interested. I also requested they delete my manuscript. As Victoria stated, it probably isn't necessary but it made me feel better! I agree they have no incentive to publish without a fee, but I don't like the possibility, however slim, of my manuscript hanging around the database of someone I don't trust

Anonymous said...

I just sent my manuscript to AM 4 weeks ago. I got an email reply that said it would take that 3 weeks for them to respond. I'm still waiting. I am glad I found this blog as to what they are. I doubt I will be working with them based on what I read here.

Anonymous said...

Hi, Anonymous. I'm one who got a packet from them, offering me a publishing deal. The contract was about 12 pages in length or so. Took a while before I got to the part that said how much I had to pay, so I'm probably one who inquired early on this thread.

It's so sad that good writers can't get published unless they get lucky by getting an agent or finding the "right company." I've probably sent 40 inquiries out for my book and then stumbled on this site. I'm thankful I did.

Amazon and some other companies are getting into self publishing now, and I believe it might have been close to or less to publish through Amazon than AM. I have stopped trying to find a publisher for now....I can only put myself out there so many times and get rejected or ignored....

Best of luck to you!

Anonymous said...

Great article. I too received a cut&paste style "we love your book and want to offer you a contribution based contract". Here's my reply with a smattering of their own cut&paste interjected. Please feel free to use it : )

I wish to thank you for the letter I received dated ...........
While I am certain that your accounts department would be very helpful in arranging payment instalments for a contribution based contract, I am unable to ascertain the commercial success of your publishing house beyond that of a portal for vanity publishing.
After careful consideration I have decided to continue my quest for a publishing house that is willing to offer a traditional mainstream publishing deal. Nevertheless I appreciate the time and effort you have afforded me.
Yours sincerely,

David Graham said...

I've had two books published by AM with non-contributory contracts. I even received a small advance for each. I found the production department genuinely nice to deal with and the end products were good. AM churns out hundreds of titles a year, so whether a book sinks or swims is largely up to the effort an author puts into promoting it. Their marketing department does a bit, but, again, you're just one of hundreds on their list. I'd like to be able to report amazing sales, but the fact is, I'm crap at self-promotion, and AM ended up remaindering /de-publishing the books after just two years. It felt as if I was being punished for poor sales, but at least it gave me the option of revising and re(self)-publishing. And I do appreciate that they took a punt with my work. Personally, I think they should move their non-contributory output to a different imprint to make a clean break from the stigma of being considered a vanity publisher.

salieri said...

David Graham,

Your post is somewhat mystifying, not because you are one of the rarest people on the planet - the elite handful actually offered an advance by Austin Macauley (twice, forsooth) - but because you seem to be blaming yourself for failure to promote your own work(s). AM's standard contractual terms promise explicitly to undertake promotion on the author's behalf: it is actually the only commitment they do make, apart from providing a few author's copies, and one of the concerns raised on this blog was that this commitment might actually be meaningless and in any event subject to an arbitrary remaindering clause. It's therefore comforting to have your confirmation.

David Graham said...

Salieri,

To say that AM's commitment to marketing "might actually be meaningless" is a little harsh. They did arrange some book signings and they did elicit some local media interest for both books. What they weren't able to do is to get the books into major bookstores or attract influential reviews, but that's true for other independent publishers who lack the clout of the 'Big Five'. However, I do find it strange that AM chose to remainder the books after just two years.

salieri said...

David,

Thank you for taking the trouble to respond. My point was that AM's promise to promote might be - is, actually - legally meaningless since it is unenforceable: they have total discretion over the nature and extent of their marketing, and above all whether this includes getting a book on anyone's shelf. Your experience is especially valuable as it shows what AM were (and were not) prepared to do for an author they considered worth backing financially, and on whom they nevertheless pulled the plug, again at their discretion. What hope can there be, therefore, for those who are expected to pay them in return for no meaningful commitment at all?

I hope that writers who are thinking of signing up with AM will consider your remarks carefully: what you call "the stigma of being considered a vanity publisher" seems to me to be thoroughly deserved.

Anonymous said...

There are many of us who just had royalty statements for 2017. In summary - zero profosseional copy editing, cover design failed entirely and marketing is non existant. Beware what you are paying for.

David Graham said...

Anonymous,

AM's copy editing is certainly on the 'light' side, but it's hardly "zero profosseional (sic)". I think most publishers no longer rely on one single major content edit done in house and expect the author to deliver a polished manuscript that's already had several rounds of editing at his or her expense. I see that as much part of the writing process as commissioning beta reads. As to cover design, this has to be a two-way process and AM's efforts with my books were as I'd expect from any publisher. They certainly didn't shriek of anything substandard that doomed the books to failure.

Debi Monroe said...

I also received a "contributory" offer from AM and, after reading all of this, will not be returning it to them. We writers need to stick together! It seems rather insulting, after hundreds of hours being poured into our labours of love, to be asked to pay for the privilege of making our work available to the public. While thrilling to receive any offer at all, this is one I will have to pass on after being warned by others. The only thing I will say in defense of AM is that they obviously did read my novel, at least in part, for their "offer" did include a compliment regarding it that could not have been ascertained merely by reading the short opening "pitch" for my book. Other than that, it's sad that so many here have been seemingly raped over something as intimately important, dear and personal as their life's work.

Silvia10014 said...

Starting back on December 17th, I have commented three times about my personal experience with AM along with offering feedback on comments from others. But now I want to say that I find the dialogue on here not only gracious and honest but also spirited. This is the kind of discourse I have been looking for in other groups but rarely see. Sharing our collective experiences has been most refreshing, and as Debi Monroe says, "we writers need to stick together". There is room for everyone in the literary world. We all have something to contribute, so no need for envy, back-biting, or failing to share good tips and helpful links.

Anonymous said...

Well said, Debi Monroe! We deserve better treatment for our hours and hours of pouring our hearts out!

Anonymous said...

SIlvia10014, I totally agree with you. We need to stick together and look out for each other.

addie mattox said...

I signed a contract with them and have experienced one of the most frustrating, disappointed years of my life. There is a revolving door of marketing staff. I've had more than 6 people assigned to my book, none of whom fulfilled the promises of effective marketing.

Do not believe the glowing promised of representing your book. It simply didn't happen for me. Save your money and find another way to publish.

Anonymous said...

Attire, I feel so badly for you and the many other new authors that have so much to offer. I think I will pursue self publishing.or look into it more deeply.

Anonymous said...

Oh no! But can you suggest some 'new writer' friendly publishers of textbooks? I am used to big names and big names won't accept a new writer. I want to start someone, yet don't want a suspicious publisher.

Anonymous said...

Some big big publishers have imprints which may not require reaching them via agents.

There many publishers given online. Choose your genre and google every publisher before you contact them. Send packing any vanity press suggesting you pay them money to publish you.

It is true that vanity press strives on trust of innocent authors. They have no scruples and they celebrate when they bamboozle people.

Anonymous said...

To hell with vanity press. It is that simple.

Anonymous said...

Difficult to understand that responsible governments particularly in the West aren't doing anything to protect their citizens from companies with apparently dubious business practices like VANITY PRESSES.

Austin Macauley appears to be on verge of I don't know what. Collapse or death pangs with it recently claiming to be THE FASTEST GROWING PUBLISHER or to be A TRADITIONAL publisher.

My reading of its claims seems to suggest that the company may be finding it more and more difficult to find authors to "deceive" as more and more authors get educated through Google and other channels about the risks vanity publishers like AM present to them.

Or are those AM's claims meant to attract customers? Doubtful whether AM is the fastest growing publisher. And a Traditional publisher and no longer hybrid? If so, wish them good luck.

Anonymous said...

Dear Victoria Strauss,

I saw somewhere Austin Macauley, so-called publishers, trying to counter your great effort aimed at enlightening authors about the risks the likes of AM may pose to authors, particularly to new authors who are easy to hoodwink and deceive and make them part with their moneys for a shoddy printing job, not publishing as such.

I suppose it is the barking of a desperate whiner who feels uncomfortable because he is been exposed. It is not for nothing that the Online is replete with unfavorable reviews about AM and other vanity printers, let me not call them PUBLISHERS, FOR PUBLISHERS THEY ARE NOT.

You can imagine how many authors you have helped from falling into the traps of unscrupulous self-styled publishers who are not publishers but actually something else who may have made millions of Pounds or Dollars for no profits to the authors who put in their time, talent and money.

As for others who wake after apparently being scammed, well, it is never too late for them to wake up and see vanity presses for what they really are and not entertain AM and others vanity presses like it in future.

Apart from saying that the outfit was established in 2006, AM, unlike other true publishers, do not say the name of the person or persons who established it. It states that it is in Cambridgeshire, England, but it never gives its Cambridgeshire address.

You are our heroine. You have done a wonderful job.

Anonymous said...

OTHER CROOKS WE WRITERS AND AUTHORS OUGHT TO AVOID ARE THOSE RUNNING SO-CALLED WRITING CONTESTS FOR A FEE OR "READING FEES." DON'T BELIEVE IN THAT KIND OF NONSENSE. THEY ARE SCAMMERS AND THIEVES LIKE THE VANITY PRESSES.

IMAGINE SUCH A GANG RUNNING A FAKE CONTEST AND ASKING, FOR EXAMPLE, $30 AND DECEIVING ABOUT 1,000 PEOPLE. THEY END UP LAUGHING AT WITH 30,000 DOLLARS IN THEIR POCKETS WHEN THERE IS NO CONTEXT WHATEVER.

AVOID THEM LIKE THE PLAGUE OF THE VANITY PRESSES AND OTHER OUTFITS.

PARTICIPATE ONLY IN CONTESTS REQUIRING NO PARTICIPATION CHARGES OR READING FEES.

I AM SURE THAT MANY AUTHORS LOSE MONEY WITH SUCH SCAMMERS

Anonymous said...

A company LIKE AUSTIN MACAULEY apparently relying on fabricating false reviews to bamboozle authors with the aim of swindling them can't prosper and become THE FASTEST GROWING IN THE WORLD of book publishing. Such childish dishonesty, lying and stupid nonsense are aimed at deceiving authors to give it their monies. The only business Austin Macauley appears to be engaged in seems to be getting monies from authors and not work for it by selling bookselling whose profits may benefit authors.

It seems to be a harmful Vanity press up to no good to themselves and authors. I don't even believe that they are able to deceive more than 5% of people reaching out to them. With so much against them online, AM are doomed to die an inglorious death which will be their own fault.

Anonymous said...

I hope you are right about what you predict will happen, but I have my doubts only because there are so many people trying to get published that they may not be aware of sites like this.

Anonymous said...

Thank you, anonymous. Your remark is right on the mark. It takes more than reading for people to awaken from scammers and thieves of the vanity presses. As soon as authors have finished their manuscripts, they want it published and, by bad luck, they sometimes run into Vanity presses they trust without realizing that they are up to no good. When they realize what their nature is, that they wasted time, talent and money on stealthy robbers without violence,they have been conned and it is too late. But once their dragon is awakened, the robber barons of the vanity presses can no longer deceive them but what the deceived can do can do is curse the robbers and wish them hell for their criminal behavior.

There are those who are stingy with their monies and will not let it go to criminal adventurers.

There are those who are suspicious, seeing no fish in the scammers's nets and the scammers go empty-handed with their finances not growing because they are no engaged in a real business to get money by dint on hard work. Finances based on thieving can not prosper.

There are those who know that authors are supposed to get monies for their works and refuse to the disguised robbers.

There are those who are aware of sites like this one and will not be deceived.

A HUGE NUMBER OF AUTHORS ARE WELL MEANING AND TRUSTING BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT AWARE OF SITES WARNING THEM AGAINST THE RISKS VANITY PRESSES POSE TO NEW AUTHORS. THOSE UNFORTUNATELY ARE THE POOR FOLKS THE ROBBERS OF THE VANITY PRESSES (CURSE THEM!) PREY ON AND DECEIVE.


Anonymous said...

There is a plethora of webs that have mushroomed about AUSTIN MACAULEY in which scribblers (damn them!) have nothing good to say about this glorious self-styled group, except in those AM has built to present itself as a nobler than thou company, doing a lot of good to lepers. It is interesting that in its reviews, it only talks about the satisfaction of its authors with the printing job it does for them but never ever refers to monetary gains for the authors. Is there something wrong with this?

How many authors have become millionaires and international celebrities from publishing with and sales of their books by AM?

How many authors live on proceeds from the sales of their books by AM?



Anonymous said...

Hmmmm. I don't think you get it. We are all hoping to GET published. I don't care how much money this company has made in the past off authors; we're saying that they are now trying to squeeze us for money to print that I'll bet most of those wildly popular authors never had to pay.

Anonymous said...

Dear AM Submissions
Thank you once again for getting back to me.
My confusion lies in that if someone from your board of editors has genuinely read my book and I have had such positive feedback, why would you not offer me a traditional publishing contract? It was even stated by your company that my story has the potential to be received well by a large audience, so why then would you not take a chance just because I am a new author, everyone has to start somewhere? AMP is after all a publishing company, your main objective is to review the manuscripts sent and be able to determine the ones which should be received well vs the ones which may not.
Furthermore you send me a contract to sign without any communication in between, which is a little unusual for a business practice. I am an Estate Agent and I deal with contracts all the time, there is a lot that happens communication-wise before sending my clients contracts to be signed- like building trust and a working relationship.
And then the content of the contract is almost insulting. You want me to fork out a massive R50 000 to have my book published and this is what you call the partnership rate!!!!! I can have my own book self-published, maintain all the rights and get full royalties for a third of that price. You are asking me to pay an exorbitant fee, cede my rights over to you for my book which I have been working on for almost 5 years and then wait 292 days before I so much even receive the first edit.
Please tell me if you were in my shoes would that sound like a great option to you?
The most confusion lies in the fact that you assure me the manuscripts are read, because if AMP actually manages to hook some unsuspecting, naive, new authors from your point of view why would you give a hoot what they have written. Surely you would sign them up as soon as possible, you could always edit the crap out of their manuscripts afterwards. You have after all included in your contract that AMP are entitled to edit the manuscripts to their discretion. And there is no proof that you actually ever really get them out to bookstores, especially in my case I am in another country.
I guess I now have had my experience with a Vanity publisher and it was rather scary- I feel conned- Please delete my manuscript from your system.

Anonymous said...

Let us get it right. Austin Macauley are anything but publishers. So, authors shouldn't waste their time on these guys. Avoid them like the plague and you will not live to regret anything.

Alejandro Larrosa said...

Having read some of the warnings on this site, I distinctly wrote AM, saying very clearly that I would never contribute anything toward the publication of my book. They agreed, and --lo and behold -- a few weeks later, they proposed a contract whereby I had to contribute right out of the gate. That was the exact experience of some writer on this page, so I was prepared. Thank you, people of this site, for the warning ; thank you for a most welcome heads-up. All the blessings of the universe upon you. If you know how to use it, the Web is the voice of a Benevolent God.

Alejandro Larrosa said...

Furthermore, I would recommend all who believe in Vanity Press to ask yourselves why it is called Vanity in the first place, and then read La Fontaine's The Crow and the Fox.

Anonymous said...

Dear Alexandro Larossa,

Great! Yours was an extraordinary feat, fooling this terrible Vanity Press AM at its own game of apparent master deceiver. These guys do not realize that once people become aware of their devious nature, they can no longer fool them.

Slowly but surely, the AM vanity press is killing itself with its apparently dishonest game.

One thing though you took for granted was that everyone knows Jean de Lafontaine's fable of the The Crow and the Fox in which the fox, wanting the cheese in the beak of the Crow perched on the branch of a tree, flattered it to distract it, making its beak loose control of the cheese which fell down and the fox got and ran away with it.

The moral lesson of the fable is at the end: "The misfortune of some is the good luck of others" (my translation of the French phrase).

Only that the poor Austin Macauleyans were not foxy enough and they can't be foxy enough all the time; they acted rather foolishly in thinking that you had forgotten that you had written them to say that you would not pay them any monies. You the crow did not loose you cheese. Great for you.

Good lesson to the the AM Vanity press and other vanity presses like it.

Jean de Lafontaine, Fables de Lafontaine -- he was the fabulist during Louis XIV reign in France. Most of his fables attacked the ruling class and its gross stupidity. King Louis XIV did not like him but tolerated him.

Alejandro Larrosa said...

Victoria Strauss said : "Reputable publishers invest their own resources (rather than yours) in the publishing process, and therefore need to sell books in order to recoup that investment and make a profit."

And THAT'S what it's all about. That's the entire publishing process in a nutshell.

Anonymous said...

This is a wonderful website about Austin Macauley, so-called and self-styled publishers. A whole universe has been said about its apparent nature and rivers of ink have become streams on paper about the Vanity Press, which prefers to describe itself as a hybrid publisher because the term Vanity is as bad as being called LEPER or TERRORIST nowadays.

Leper or terrorist, no way! AM is nobler than that. Hybrid, gosh no! And what is hybrid, anyway? Does anybody want to believe than the Vanity press puts some money of its own, it apparently does not because it is not a money-making business but a money-grabbing-from-the-poor authors' enterprise.

It is, therefore, strictly a VANITY PRESS -- no more no less.

So, authors, you know that if you send them your money, you are losing it as you will never get anything in return from it. AM like any other vanity press will not feel sorry for taking your money from you. It will want to hook you in to be writing for it and keep you paying them. You can wait for the royalties it promises you, and you will never sees the checks coming.

Google "Austin Macauley reviews," you will find tons of websites which damn it and for a reason.

Alejandro Larrosa said...



Dear Anonymous : thanks for your encouragement and congratulations. As for the fable, I didn’t bother explaining it because I figured that most people who hadn’t heard of it and were yet interested would simply Google it. As for the moral, that’s a terrible translation. Here is La Fontaine’s beautifully rhymed French original, and my humble “currente calamo” translation which, you will see, is much more apposite to our case :

-- Le Renard s'en saisit, et dit : Mon bon Monsieur,
Apprenez que tout flatteur
Vit aux dépens de celui qui l'écoute,
Cette leçon vaut bien un fromage sans doute.

(The fox seized it (the cheese) and said, „My good Sir
Learn that every flatterer lives from anyone who will listen to him,
this lesson is well worth the cheese.“)

As for our foxy friends, you must admit that they sure know their crows. They wrote back to me after I posted here and denied that they were a Vanity Press ; that the market being as tight as it was, they forcefully and regrettably needed writer contributions ; and that, though they outright turned down many other fine writers, contributions notwithstanding, they had thought that my work was quite outstading, something really worth getting behind (the fox talking) and that it was a shame that I wasn’t willing to shell out some of my cheese in order to have the entire forest hear my enchanting voice.



 
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