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June 16, 2016

Tate Publishing & Enterprises Slapped with $1.7 Million Lawsuit, Department of Labor Investigation

Posted by Victoria Strauss for Writer Beware

See the bottom of this post for updates.

Readers of this blog may be familiar with Tate Publishing & Enterprises--an Oklahoma-based publisher that describes itself as "a Christian-based, family-owned, mainline publishing organization with a mission to discover and market unknown authors."

Tate takes pains to depict itself as a selective traditional publisher that accepts "only a single-digit percentage of authors who submitted manuscripts for publication" (a claim that's a little hard to credit from a publisher that, if Amazon is to be believed, pumped out 3,000 titles in 2015). In fact, authors must pay nearly $4,000 to publish with Tate, with even more due if they choose to buy any of Tate's array of extras, such as "personalized author websites" and video book trailers. Tate also incentivizes author book-buying, by promising to refund the original fee once 2,500 books are sold and allowing author purchases to count toward the total--though only if made in bulk quantities of 300 or more.

There is no mention of any of this on Tate's website or in its videos. Tate doesn't disclose its fees until authors either submit a manuscript or request more info. For that reason, as well as the very large volume of complaints we've received about the company (many of them from writers who approached Tate in the belief that it was a traditional publisher), Tate is included on Writer Beware's Thumbs Down Publishers List. (For this and other comments we made, Tate claimed in a 2008 blog post to be suing us, but no lawsuit was ever filed.)

You don't have to take my word about the complaints, by the way. In 2015, Tate was the second most complained-about company to the Oklahoma attorney general. Many more complaints--not just about Tate Publishing, but about its vanity recording subsidiary, Tate Music Group--can be found online, including at the Better Business Bureau--where, despite 102 complaints over the past 3 years and what the BBB acknowledges as "a significant pattern of complaints", Tate has an "A" rating. (How do you get an "A" rating from the BBB despite more than 100 customers complaining about your service? Sign up to become a BBB accredited business and make sure you respond to everything.) (UPDATE: Sometime between me putting this post online and June 24, the BBB suspended Tate's accreditation and removed its rating.)

Tate got some unflattering news coverage in 2012, when CEO Ryan Tate fired 25 production workers in retaliation for an anonymous email about rumored layoffs at the company (the rumors were sparked by Tate's decision to outsource some of its work to the Philippines). Ryan Tate's nearly 20-minute rant, recorded secretly by an employee, went viral after it was leaked online. (You can listen to it--if you dare--here. You can also marvel at Tate's Employment Agreement, here.)

Now Tate may be in bigger trouble. Xerox Corporation, which leases some of the equipment Tate uses for its 24-hour-a-day printing facility, has filed a $1.7 million lawsuit against Tate Publishing and Ryan Tate, alleging defaults on re-structured lease and service agreements and on a promissory note executed to address previous debt, and seeking re-possession of $450,000 in leased equipment as well as a money judgment of $463,786.90 against Ryan Tate personally, as Guarantor on the promissory note. The full petition can be seen here.

The suit has spurred some local media attention, and Ryan Tate isn't taking it lying down. To The Journal Record (sorry--paywall) he characterized the lawsuit as intimidation. "[Xerox is] just positioning and posturing, trying to force us to sign some different long-term contracts we’re not interested in." To KFOR.com he downplayed the impact of the suit, describing Xerox as "really a small part of our manufacturing process.” To the Mustang News, he claimed that "We are in the process of filing our counter suits and Xerox is trying to force us to use their equipment for our shop on a long-term basis as well as they have failed to deliver on some major contractual elements in regards to service, maintenance, and equipment purchases." (Worth noting: according to this glowing 2011 "case study" on Tate's partnership with Xerox, Tate has been working with Xerox since at least 2007, and its production facility is set up with "all Xerox digital equipment.")

That's not the only lawsuit Tate is fielding at the moment. One of its authors, Bat-Zion Susskind-Sacks, has filed suit for breach of contract, deceptive trade and marketing practices, fraud, and several other causes of action, alleging that she paid over $12,000 for a book that was published full of errors (twice) and never marketed. She's asking for her money back, as well as attorneys' fees and damages. Her amended complaint, which includes pages from her book showing the mistakes, can be seen here.

Summonses in both suits were issued on the same day, May 27. Tate has 20 days to respond. Stay tuned.

UPDATE 7/1/16: More trouble for Tate. Local news station KFOR reports that staff have been laid off from Tate's printing plant, and author complaints of non-payment are surfacing (Writer Beware has received similar complaints).

UPDATE 11/15/16: Per the most recent updates to the court docket, plaintiff Xerox has successfully re-possessed its equipment, but retained a cause of action for lease amounts still due. It has also discovered additional debts that weren't included in the original complaint. Accordingly, it has filed an Amended Petition raising the total money amount it's seeking from Tate to $1.89 million.

Meanwhile, the US Department of Labor has launched an investigation into Tate--an investigation that has spurred allegations of tampering from some Tate employees, who claim that Ryan Tate "coached" them on what to say.

UPDATE 11/30/16: Nobody knows the troubles Tate's seen...oh, wait, everyone does. News Channel KFOR reports that three new lawsuits have popped up this month: one by a musician suing over copyright laws (presumably a customer of Tate Music Group, which also runs on a vanity model); one by memorabilia manufacturer Jostens, which claims that Tate owes it more than $13,000; and one by the property company that leases Tate its print shop (possibly vacant now that Xerox has re-possessed its equipment), which claims that Tate owes nearly $20,000 in rent.

43 comments :

Britton Swingler said...

I can't quite get a comment out of my head and onto the page; I just keep reading the attachments and "flipping" through the uncorrected manuscript shaking my head...

Anonymous said...

Hmm, it looks like the BBB is reviewing Tate Publishing's rating, but that also means all of the complaints are hidden. I see Tate Music still has an A- rating though.

Anonymous said...

Dr Richard Tate is apparently still a member of the BBB Board. Isn't that a conflict of interest? It promises to be a fascinating meeting.
https://www.questia.com/newspaper/1P2-38719125/unhappy-customers-attorney-general-s-most-complained-about

And Christy Kelley-Tate (aka Mrs Ryan Tate) has recently registered a business, Lux Creative Concepts: https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_ok/3512542728

I'm sure Lux Creative (who look to be a reputable advertising agency working with many top Christian publishers) will be less than thrilled when they find out.

Anonymous said...

It's about time.

Michael LaRocca said...

I'm sorry to hear that these scams still work. If they're getting money from authors, they don't need to get money from readers. I've never gone to a bookstore or a library seeking a title by Tate Publishing, but I'm confident I won't find any.

Graham said...

Re the threatened lawsuit - Ken White at Popehat has a saying that goes something like "vagueness in legal threats is the hallmark of thuggery". Mr Tate seems like a bit of a blusterer to me.

Anonymous said...

I have to agree with Britton S.

It was the most frustrating experience, and then you are left hanging to fend for your self, as a result much of my manuscript was discombobulated and lost. There was no technical assistance.



leon said...

BBB is certainly reviewing the Tate Publishing I think.

Roman Pang said...

I have the most terrible experience with Tate publishing. I asked them to publish my book "Understanding Prayer, Faith and God's Will" in 2013 and paid a US4000 downpayment. The published book (in 2012) contains punctuation erros in a few places! Without raising a fuss, I cancelled the contract very soon which they agreed. However, they did not remove all advertisement on the book, and after a couple of months I wrote to tell them. Although they said they would remove but it continued to remain there for another 1 year. I wrote to them again and they ignored , without replying at all. This went on for another year until 2016 when I threatened to sue them. Only then they started to do something about it but the advertisement is still there. I am going to take legal action against them. In their contract with authors, Tate said they will check for all punctuation and grammar errors but they failed to do so. And not only that, they continued to be unprofessional and irresponsible but not removng the advertisement.

Anonymous said...

Former employee here, this place is a joke. Do not publish with them.

Aileen Stewart said...

There are always two sides to every story and yet people often judge on one sided hearsay, and the comments of disgruntled people who may or may not have a right to be disgruntled. I have been a Tate children's author for six years. I have a traditional contract and pay nothing. I have had great editors for all five of my books; although both my editor and I missed a mistake in one of my books. One or two mistakes getting by an editor is pretty normal for all companies. I read a picture book once that only had one sentence per page, published by a large traditional, that had a mistake. While I'm not saying Tate is a perfect publisher (who is?), I am saying that they have always honored my contracts, have given me beautiful covers, have edited my work, have given me adorable illustrations, have priced my books fairly, have lowered the price of my books when asked, and have resolved the few issues I have had throughout the years.

le shi said...

To Whom It May Concern:
I have a Children's Publishing & Distribution contract
with Tate Publishing and Enterprises on 10/14/2015.
these are some words in it as follows :

Tate Publishing offers priority publishing for a $1,000 non-refundable fee. If you wish to take advantage
of this rush package, there will be an additional $1,000 rush fee required with your signed contract in
order to take our normal 6 month production length down to just weeks. Your book will begin the
marketing phase 90 days from the day you submit your book to production.

But until today, I haven't got a layout I agree from Tate.
I have been waiting near a year.
I think their graphic teams and project manager haven't ability to design a children's picture book.

Anonymous said...

Every bad experience people share about Tate, I went through. However, I fault myself because I read hundreds of reviews before signing a contract with them. Shame on me, not them. I removed the two books I published with them within a year and lost 3500. It was good training. God uses all things for the good. It's been 2 years and my books still show up in certain places under Tate even though I've asked for there removal. Yep, I read about that too before I published with them.

Victoria Strauss said...

Aileen Stewart,

I'm very glad to hear you've had a satisfactory experience with Tate. I'm always happy when a writer feels he or she is doing well. But in light of the large number of alerts and complaints Writer Beware has received, as well as the extraordinary number of complaints about Tate that can be found online, your experience seems to be very much the exception.

Victoria Strauss said...

Anonymous 10/01,

It is NOT "shame on you." It IS "shame on them." You might have avoided Tate if you'd seen the complaints online, but you wouldn't have submitted your books if you hadn't been persuaded by the claims and presentations on their website, which are designed to obscure the fact that Tate is a vanity publisher. That's pretty unChristian, in my opinion. Don't beat yourself up too much.

Anonymous said...

If you decided to publish with Tate you have to push hard for what you want. Don't expect Tate to find errors in your book and don't expect them to correct them correctly. Hire a proof reader and hire them again after the corrections are made. I had over 200 corrections made after Tate had supposedly reviewed my book and then it went down to 50 and then down to 5 and then hundreds of dollars later my proof reader finally got them all, at least I hope so. I liked this company when I first published with them, but would not go with them again. It's been mistake after mistake and then when I try to contact people at Tate, they hardly ever return my calls or emails. If I want my contract filled, I have to push and push again for the quality that I'm looking for. Honestly, who's working for Tate? The quality is just so poor and absolutely embarrassing. So, while it's great to have a book published, just be ready to push hard and pay for the quality that you're looking for. I find it exhausting.

Anonymous said...

Victoria, Tate was sued in Canada--and didn't even show up--when they published a book that contained plagiarism and copyright infringement--and continued to do so after being notified of the plagiarism and infringement. They didn't even respond to the lawsuit which seems to be Tate's mode of action. Good luck Xerox. Perhaps if Xerox prevails Tate can no longer fleece writers. Keep up your holding them to account, Victoria.

Anonymous said...

Has anyone had any experience terminating a contract with Tate publishing before their book has been published. I have had issues as of late with no return phone calls or emails. Any suggestions?

le shi said...

Richard Tate, PhD
Founder & Chairman of the Board said to me :

Our teams are award winning professionals and I stand behind them 1,000%.
If you have specifics I will be happy to speak with the VP in that division
and see if there is a glitch. If there is, I thank you for bringing it to
our attention. My only desire to your benefit and success. Thanks for the
reply and contact me if you need at any time.

But I said to him:
Hello Richard,
It is mess that layout of your team give me several months ago.
There are many mistake ,error ,not glitch.
I haven't seen the ability of your winning professionals team.
I can finish layouting my picture- book in two weeks, but your teams needs a year at least.
If you want a new graphic designer, I will apply.
sincerely,
Le Shi

Anonymous said...

Tate Publishing is a joke and Richard Tate is one of the biggest liars I have ever met. Pretty much their entire staff lies on a daily basis. As of July, they have not had any machines at their printing location in Oklahoma. They were seized by Xerox, however, they continued to take orders from musicians and authors. They outsourced some of the work to a printing company called LSI but orders were quickly put on "HOLD" when Tate didn't pay the bill.
Tate Publishing owes so many creditors, thousands of dollars, and is gradually moving assets to another company called "Lux Creative Concepts." Staff located in the States are instructed to not answer the phone, let VM pick it up and then refer all messages to their "Customer Service Rep" who is located in the Phillipeans. The Customer Service Reps are so over worked, they don't have the time or knowledge to address all the concerns from authors, not to mention, they don't know the truth about the "equipment issues" and are instructed to give a general response that "Machines have broken down."
There is a current open case with the Labor Board in Oklahoma and a Tax Warrant that is being ignored by Ryan Tate. I do not believe that the Tates or any of their Executive Staff genuinely cares about these problems. I often sat in meetings where Richard Tate referred to Authors as "idiots' or "liars."
If you want to get any results from Tate Publishing, you have to stay on them. Don't just call your CSR or Marketing Consultant. Email the big dogs and mention "lawsuit, cancel or Attorney General." I guarantee you will get their attention.

Several websites you can get other info from is:
http://www.oscn.net/dockets/GetCaseInformation.aspx?db=canadian&number=CJ-2016-263&cmid=356694
http://www.thelostogle.com/2016/09/22/tate-publishing-is-being-investigated-by-the-department-of-labor/http://kfor.com/2016/06/08/oklahoma-christian-publishing-company-accused-of-not-paying-1-7-million-in-bills-owner-will-file-countersuit/https://www.consumeraffairs.com/misc/tate_publishing.html

Cathy Thompson Langella said...

Tate published my book in Jan of this year. I spent 4 yrs of my life writing an expose of corruption in the judiciary and legal community of my hometown in PA and risked my life both writing and releasing it. I was married to one of them (a lawyer) and was one of their victims. I was beyond ecstatic when they promised me so much, esp since they put themselves out to be a Christian-family business. I was more and more concerned as the weeks and months went on this year with what developed into a pattern of more and more lies, empty promises and worse. When it was time for a royalty payment EVERY QUARTER there were lies about the checks "being lost" and "having to be reissued". When I demanded an accounting of the # of my books sold, I asked to see a computer printout of orders taken, orders paid, orders shipped. I was told they had NO software to do any accounting at all. When I would question their #s they would say "we'll call you back in a few days" and a week later someone would call me to say "yep, we were right, there was no mistake" When I challenged them Trinity Tate demanded I stop calling their employees because I was "being abusive". My husband was an attorney for 35+ yrs and I was a paralegal for nearly 30. We both believe they have been KITING funds. (please look it up if you don't know what it is) I have filed an initial complaint with the OK Atty Gen this past week. I am demanding that they open their books. I believe it's not just "Dr" Tate (what kind of "Dr" is he anyways???), but also Ryan and Trinity that are in the midst of this. The whole thing STINKS and they may have single-handedly destroyed my hopes and dreams of seeing my book expose horrible corruption. They have never spent ONE DAY "marketing" or "publicizing" my book. Not one! I am hopeful that eventually there will be a class-action suit. I would gladly be lead plaintiff. If they are transferring assets, they can be taken no matter what if they've done it to elude collection. These people are NOT as smart as they think they are! You can contact me at cathylangella52@gmail.com if you'd like to share. My book "Judicial Terrorism".

Unknown said...

I wonder why?

Anonymous said...

I've been with Tate over 10 years. PLEASE do not trust them. THEY are a huge scam. Mat God have mercy on them and save them so they can repent before the day of judgement!

Anonymous said...



I am ashamed to post anonymously but I, too, am planning a law suit and I do not wish to have this company aware to my plan of attack.
What Divine Intervention to have found this blog site!!!I have just posted another email to the Tates regarding the denial of my marketing amenities, FACEBOOK PAGE, WEBSITE, TRAILER that are part of my Author Contract. My book release date is in two weeks and because of so many incompetent Tate employees, these marketing products will not be available to me.

As noted by so many posters, in general, Tate employees do not answer phone calls and when you challenge them or the Tates, you are a pariah and are ignored. I do regret the day that I signed on with this vanity press company over four years ago.

Anonymous said...

My experience with them has been bittersweet. While I haven't paid the mass amounts of dollars and have had good editing and some decent follow through, I can understand the frustration since they don't deliver all they say they will. For one, I don't think I should have to buy my own books in mass quantities. That to me is a rip off. The option of buying 10 or 20 never seems to be available, but instead, it's buy 100, get 100 of something else free. Secondly, there is definitely something up with staff, as the turnover rate is ridiculous. I noticed getting sent to a new project manager fairly regularly. Initially, I was young and naive when I signed my contract but from here on out I plan on doing indie work and I just hope my last project with them comes out as planned. I think the most frustrating part is that as one of their authors you get the biggest royalty percentage when the books come from their site, but it takes forever for people to get their books from the site, but takes no time from Amazon. That definitely makes me feel like it's done intentionally so the author doesn't have to get paid as much. And yeah, all the extras are nonsense. I can build my own website and have done a better job at my social media promotions than they have. Very bittersweet experience.

Marie Fricker said...

I chose to publish my first-time book with Tate Publishing even though I had read some negative on-line comments and complaints about the company, such as those contained in this blog. I did some research, listened to the pros and cons and felt in my gut that going with Tate was the right thing to do — and it was.

First of all, I never was asked to pay more than a small fee throughout the entire process - not the thousands of dollars that people are alluding to above. My book will be out in January and I have not been pressured to buy any particular number of books at all. The Tate V.P. of Sales said to me in a personal phone call the other day, "Marie, you can buy as many or as few of your books as you would like to."

I am an experienced writer and editor but the Tate content editor who worked on my manuscript found some errors that were valid and corrected them. Whenever I returned a marked up pdf proof for correction, they got every single direction right and made the changes accurately the first time around.

I have been extremely satisfied with my experience, and I would recommend it to other first-time authors.

Tate Publishing is a good company. It doesn't take its authors for big chunks of money and it helps us get our message out into the world. As a brain cancer survivor, that is very important to me, as I want to bring hope to others who are ill and as frightened as I was during my illness. I am now eight years cancer-free and eager to share my coping strategies through my story.

I have been extremely happy with my decision to go with Tate Publishing. I would do it again.

Marie Fricker, author, All in My Head: How a hypochondriac beat brain cancer. Due out on January 3, 2017. Available now at Tate Publishing's online bookstore.

Monica said...

I'm happy you are having such a great experience but I am not. I published my first book with them in 2014. That was great. I was new to the process and everything thing went as planned. This time around has been a total nightmare. From start to... well I'm caught in the middle of it now. I was called by my media agent (sales agent) to buy books. I purchased almost $1000 woth of books. Now I can't get anyone to tell me the status of that order. I have literally begged them and I keep getting an automated respon saying they are looking into it. I spent 6 years writing my books and know I'm at a stand still. I believed what I read when I sign up with them. I realized the first time around that they weren't going to do ALL they promised, but I was happy with the outcome. But this time they are ignoring me and brushing me off after taking the money. OH, but they continue to send me sales emails asking me to buy more books when they haven't delivered the ones I ordered 2.5 months ago and won't tell me why.

Elmer Ray Toller Jr said...

My book, Letters to the Editor - Denied was released Feb. 9, 2016. My first book as well and the lead up process was very well done, yet Tate has since utterly failed this author since as well it seems as so very many others. I`ve sent mailings to the governor of OK, the chamber of commerce there in Oklahoma City, my local representative here in KY , and the Senator as well without answers in some cases. The one answered stated that was not an area of which they handled as my state goes. I`m trying to establish just which part of our gov`t handles such things as publisher controls and laws applicable to their guidelines.There must be some standards regarding what such companies must follow but so far no luck and apparently Tate uses every single tolerance to accommodate themselves while ignoring we who author these books and pay the total expense without reward. Without authors there`d be little need for publishers so.....
I`m a USAF veteran, and I have been unemployed since Oct. 2012 after actions by my nearly 12 year former employer in their disregard for their hourly employees drove me away. Those reasons were covered by the first chapter of my book and I had stated to Tate from the onset what my situation was yet they didn`t apparently plan on thus " needing " my true participation as I have found my book listed in some very questionable " bookstore " and at prices far beyond what the marked one of $18.99 showed by the UPC on the back.
My book was categorized as Political Science; Editorials and Opinions, and Social Science; General whereas I clearly stated within those pages what my thoughts are of the current affairs of the US and the business practices tolerated within. That apparently held little significance either or they simply didn`t take a hint of how I may react to there covertness regarding information claimed not knowing. I may not have any income nor as a veteran from 78 - 82 will I accept gov`t assistance because of war veterans being ignored by the VA and have injuries sustained from services that need what they cannot seem to get. I will not do so and will find the legal means to put a stop to Tate and others like them so that future authors are not victimized as well. I would love to add my story to others in a class action lawsuit and bring more pressure to bear on each of them at Tate ie; Dr Richard Tate ( 100 + emails and 3 phone conversations ) Mark Mingle, VP and yet nothing at all in communication from this Ryan Tate who is supposedly CEO and an economic " whiz " ! Hopefully we could all get something going with all complaintants to bring them to their knees and stop the atrocious business altogether.
Elmer Ray Toller Jr of Maysville, KY tollerelmerray@yahoo.com since I`m on a borrowed tablet at present. Good luck to all.

Addison Christy said...

Wow. Tate sounds horrible. I was actually considering them until I stumbled on this blog post. What about alternatives to Tate? It's so difficult to get published now going the traditional path - far too much competition. Any suggestions from published authors?

Victoria Strauss said...

Addison,

If you're looking for a traditional publisher, a good place to start is the shelves of a large bookstore or library; this will give you a list of publishers that are publishing in your subject or genre that you can then do more research on. Another helpful tool is a publishing market guide--Writer's Market, for instance, which publishes both a print market guide and a website There's also the Christian Writers' Market Guide--but that one you should use with caution, as it includes a lot of dubious companies like Tate.

If on the other hand you're interested in self-publishing, I usually suggest that authors start by investigating the free or low-cost services with good reputations in the self-pub community: Createspace, IngramSpark, and Lulu if they want to do print as well as ebooks, and Smashwords, Draft2Digital, and the direct-to-ereading-device services (Amazon's Kindle Direct Publishing, Barnes & Noble's Nook Press, and Kobo's Kobo Writing Life) if they want to do an ebook only.

I generally advise authors to avoid the Author Solutions self-publishing services (iUnverse, Xlibris, Trafford, AuthorHouse, BookTango, and the self-pub services Author Solutions runs for major publishers, including Thomas Nelson's WestBow Press and Hay House's Balboa Press), since I've received many complaints about quality, price, and high-pressure sales tactics.

Some self-publishing services claim to specialize in particular genres (such as self-help) or markets (such as the Christian market). This really isn't meaningful Self-pub services do no targeted marketing (unless you buy it a la carte, in which case you'll likely pay much more than it's worth), and they all use the same distribution channels.

For information to help you comparison shop, a rundown on the benefits and challenges of self-publishing, and links to helpful resources, see the Self-Publishing page of Writer Beware.

Victoria Strauss said...

A general note: I just want to say thanks to the writers who continue to post comments about their Tate experiences. I'm truly sorry for the problems you have experienced/are experiencing, but glad that they can help serve as a warning for others.

For anyone who has questions that they'd rather ask privately, please feel free to contact me: beware [at] sfwa.org.

Stacyj said...

I've had the same experience with Tate like much of the Authors here, and I'm just wondering if a petition on Change.org can assist with getting the word out. Tate has not delivered on their contract to me either but I think it saddens me more that they use the name of Christ! There should be a petition calling for them to refund people's monies and also to remove the name of Jesus Christ from their materials.

Addison Christy said...

Victoria,

This is fantastic information. :) Thank you so much!

Addison

Victoria Strauss said...

Addison--you're welcome!

Stacyj--I don't want to be too much of a downer, but I don't think a petition would do a thing to make Tate pay attention to author complaints--of which I'm certain it's well aware. More effective, in my opinion, would be posting a complaint online (there are links to several complaints sites, plus the Better Business Bureau, in my post above), and making a consumer complaint to the Oklahoma Attorney General (Tate was the second most-complained about company to the Oklahoma AG in 2015).

Anonymous said...

Anyone seen this? Smacks of desperation.

http://kfor.com/2016/11/29/our-company-is-doing-a-great-job-tate-publishing-executive-disputes-slew-of-lawsuits-investigations/

Victoria Strauss said...

Good catch, Anonymous--I'm adding the link to my post. Thanks!

Jennifer Lang Boehl said...

I also have 4 books through Tate. I do not pay a fee either. Only if I want to purchase my own stock of books. I have had a generally good experience with them.

Anonymous said...

As an ex-employee, good luck getting a hold of anyone. There are roughly 5 employees left (all of which have the last name Tate) and they are too busy scrambling daily to avoid lawsuits. Also, good luck getting any printed material because the print shop closed Wednesday. The remainder of what little printing they do is outsourced but it's just a matter of time before that option is gone and another vendor sues them for non-payment. Sorry for all of those that fell victim to the Tate's ploys, I felt guilty actually showing up for work on a daily basis.

Anonymous said...

You are the exception to the rule. The Tate's would seek out special cases to give select authors "deals" that would make Tate appear to be a legitimate company. As a general rule, as employees, we were instructed to milk as much money as we could out of the customer.

Anonymous said...

As a former employee as well, I can say for sure that some of the "Executive" staff goes onto sights like this and posts positive reviews pretending to be authors. They will even use legit authors names to make it believable. I will also say, that we were asked on numerous occasions to do so ourselves and reach out to authors asking them to do so, offering free products if they did.

This company and the family that carry the "Tate" name are some of the biggest crooks I have ever met in my life! They don't care about anyone but themselves. The most current example is, the Health premiums were not paid and ex employees are left with some pretty big doctor bills as a result of it.

Working for Tate Publishing was one of the biggest mistakes of my life. I am paying for their greed and thats not right!

Anonymous said...

RYAN TATE HERE:

posting as anonymous - i am a designer here in PH, outsourced by tate. for a few months now, tate has been delaying salaries and cancelling off incentives making the employee payback for every incentive he got. the salary here averages from 300$ to 600$ but the production team are overworked working with 20-40 authors a MONTH! ridiculous!

. right now tate has been laying off employees with no proper reason. good luck to all. but i doubt any projects or books will be published from now on.

stefani said...

Hubby was in eviction court today -- and Tate publishing was evicted from their building. We published a book with Tate over 8 years ago and although we didn't get any of the marketing we were promised -- we did get nice books because we make sure there were not printing mistakes and maybe they were more legitimate back then. Hubby is sorry we will not be able to reorder any more of our books!

Victoria Strauss said...

Stefani--would you contact me? beware [at] sfwa.org . I'm planning a followup post on Tate, and I'd like to know more about the eviction. Thanks!

 
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