Tuesday, March 27, 2007

Victoria Strauss -- Stealth Vanity Publishers

One important point that we at Writer Beware try hard to make is that the traditional definition of "vanity publisher"--a publisher you pay to print and bind your book--is outdated. Sure, there are many straightforward vanity publishers that want cash on the barrelhead and make no bones about the fact that you're paying to be published. But there are also many stealth vanity publishers--publishers that try to sanitize their fees by calling them something else or shifting them to some other aspect of the publication process, or that attempt to deceive writers by failing to disclose upfront that they require a cash infusion.

There are a number of stealth vanity publishers on Writer Beware's Thumbs Down Publishers List. New World Media, a.k.a. American Book Press, doesn't require authors to pay for printing and binding--just for editing (cost: $3,000-$3,500). American Book Publishing also doesn't charge for printing and binding--just for "setup" (cost: around $700). Durban House Publishing doesn't charge for any aspect of book production at all--just for marketing (costs reported to Writer Beware range from $15,000 to $25,000). Harbor House and SterlingHouse Publisher also don't charge for book production--but they do require authors to buy their own finished books, with the money due on contract signing (1,000 copies and 550 copies, respectively).

The only "traditional" vanity publishers on the list are Helm Publishing and Tate Publishing. Their fees (Helm charges $750-1,500, and Tate asks for $3,985) are clearly identified as being for printing and production. There's a catch, though: authors don't find out how much they have to pay until after they've submitted.

Other stealth vanity tactics, from Writer Beware's archives: the now-defunct NovelBooks at one point bound ads into its books, requiring authors to sell ads for their own books and pressuring them to buy ads for other authors' books. Picasso Publishing, which closed its doors a couple of years ago, made its authors pay for a publicity campaign. Authors with Gardenia Publishing (also out of business) had to sell a minimum quantity of books prior to publication--they didn't have to buy the books themselves, but if the money wasn't turned in to the publisher, publication was off. Still other stealth vanity publishers only accept submissions through the publishers' own paid assessment services, or keep all royalties until the book's production costs are reimbursed, or force authors to buy "adjunct" services (such as cover art or interior design) from approved vendors.

A special variant of stealth vanity publishing is the "subsidy" or "joint venture" or "cooperative" or "partner" publisher. Such publishers claim to match your fees with their own money, or to contribute goods and services of substantial value. In other words, you aren't paying the whole freight. However, while there are a few genuine subsidy publishers (mainly in specialized fields such as academic publishing), a claim of subsidy or partnership publishing is much more likely to be a marketing ploy designed to make you feel better about handing over cash. In fact, the fee has probably been carefully calculated to ensure the publisher's profit, and is far more than the actual value of the services provided. Subsidy publishers often claim to support their authors with significant marketing efforts, but they have little incentive to market their books, since they've already been paid upfront.

Recently, a new wrinkle in the stealth vanity publisher game came across my desk. Blue Dolphin Publishing presents itself as a "traditional" publisher. No fees are mentioned in its submission guidelines. Authors who submit, however, receive a "Dear Author" letter informing them that they have "a worthy project" but in order for their book to be published there must be "a separate contract with an outside investor." While Blue Dolphin "never expects an author to finance a project," they "do, however, ask the author if he or she knows anyone who can help us."

This is clever psychology. It isn't an actual demand for cash, nor is the author herself being directly asked to "invest." Heaven forbid! That would be vanity publishing! But the ball is now firmly in the author's court, and the publisher is counting on the carrot of publication to inspire her to "help"--either by raiding her own bank account, or borrowing money from a relative. (Complaints Writer Beware has gotten about Blue Dolphin suggest that this is exactly what some authors do.) So the publisher never actually requests money--but obtains it even so. Stealth vanity publishing indeed.

Bottom line with the stealth tactics described above: you're paying to be published. Don't fall for deceptive terminology, and don't be fooled by elaborate rationales. A publisher that requires you to lay out your own cash for ANYTHING, at ANY point in the publication process, is a vanity publisher. Period.

For a detailed discussion of why vanity publishing is never a good idea for writers, see the Vanity Publishers page of Writer Beware.

15 comments:

Laura K said...

Great info, thanks! Could you perhaps post something about "reverse royalties", of which I have heard, but about which I know pretty much nothing?

randomsome1 said...

I think I've seen what you're talking about. Word Association Press (Tarentum, PA) touts itself as a "self-publishing" company, but charges for everything. Setup, editing, marketing, printing, typesetting, so on--and then they take a chunk of the net sale, too.

Janny said...

"Word Association Press (Tarentum, PA) touts itself as a "self-publishing" company, but charges for everything. Setup, editing, marketing, printing, typesetting, so on..."

Well, that's kind of what self-publishing IS. So they're not scamming anybody; at least they call themselves a self-publishing company up front. When you publish your own book, you do in fact pay for all these services, or you do them yourself. So that's hardly a scam...just not a great way to get published, IMHO.

But I know several self-published authors who knew exactly what they were getting into, were willing to invest the time and capital, and are happy with what they got. That's a different animal entirely than the scams this post was talking about, so I think it's important to differentiate the "stealth" operations that hoodwink the innocent author from those where the author is willing and able to put in what's spelled out up front.

Janny

Victoria Strauss said...

Janny said,

I think it's important to differentiate the "stealth" operations that hoodwink the innocent author from those where the author is willing and able to put in what's spelled out up front.

I agree. My post wasn't meant to refer to POD-based publishing service providers like iUniverse or to book manufacturers like Thompson-Shore, both of which offer a straightforward (if often quite expensive) service. They may be stretching a point by calling themselves self-publishing services, but they don't try to pretend that they aren't asking you to finance publication of your book.

lorralaven said...

Hi Victoria - Can I play devil's advocate for just a sec? - I fully expect you to point out the faults in my logic.

Let's say you're a first-time novelist and you're lucky enough to get a contract from a legit publisher. From everything I've read on the web, it appears that the wise first-timer plows back the majority of their advance (assuming nothing astronomical, of course) into promoting their book because if they don't sell through, they're toast in terms of getting another publishing contract.

Isn't that a little like what you describe in your post? Obviously, there is no "requirement" to spend your advance on marketing, but who wants to shoot themselves in the foot? It seems to me, a writer is required -- in a way -- to spend a certain amount of money.

So please tell me where my logic fails. (I'm sure it does.)

PS - Don't worry - I'm not planning on pursuing vanity publishing - at lease not in this lifetime.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, funny, isn't it? One set of publishers (if you call the scam artists publishers--I do not) wants their money up front. The other set wants you do to their publicity job on your money.

Either way, seems to me, you're out the money and the publisher wins.

Who says the deck is not stacked against writers?

jamiehall said...

lorralaven:

For one thing, in the case of an author using their own advance for book promotion, the money is theirs, but it actually came from the publisher. So it isn't exactly the same as using the money from your day job to pay a vanity publisher.

Also, you have an exaggerated idea of what real publishers expect from authors. Most of the best promotional opportunities are either free, or they are paid for by the publisher (sending books to reviewers).

Expensive marketing campaigns or spammy mass mailings usually don't produce much return for the amount of money put into them, and the real publisher's marketing department may even resent marketing schemes hatched by the author, if those schemes don't fit well with the rest of the marketing plan.

lorra laven said...

To Jamiehall - thanks for responding to my question. I've read so many conflicting things on marketing, I have no idea what is or isn't true. It's nice to get an answer from someone with real experience.

Jim said...

Your information about Tate publishing is incorrect. I have not signed with them yet, and am not certain I will, but the fee is on their website and everyone who read it carefully would have known that.

In addition, the fee was again revealed to me before I submitted my work.

So the charge that the fee is not revealed until after the author has submitted is false.

In addition, such a charge is insubstantial, even if it were true. How much effort is involved in submitting a manuscript? It is absolutely nothing compared to the effort involved in writing one.

Victoria Strauss said...

Your information about Tate publishing is incorrect. I have not signed with them yet, and am not certain I will, but the fee is on their website and everyone who read it carefully would have known that.

Here is the only place on the Tate website where a fee is mentioned--in coded language (double points to anyone who can identify it). There's no mention of the actual amount.

This tiny, ambiguously-worded mention is very easy to misinterpret or to miss. Writer Beware regularly hears from writers who've approached Tate in the assumption that it is, as it presents itself on its website, a "mainline" publisher, and are surprised to find out they have to pay.

So the charge that the fee is not revealed until after the author has submitted is false.

According to Tate's Getting Started page, "The first thing you need to do to get started is to submit a manuscript." Of course, you can also request information without submitting a manuscript. But either way, you have to actually contact Tate in order to find out how much you have to pay--something that, as mentioned above, many writers are quite surprised to discover.

Anonymous said...

Poor innocent little writer? Come-on. I don't understand what all the fuss is about; is there anything wrong with an entrepreneur investing in his/her own startup? A writer should feel free to partner with a legitate publisher to help get a message out or to share his/her art and perhaps touch or inspire others.

There is enough information out there to make a well informed decision; no one is being taken advantage of. It is awesome that there are avenues for worthy writers to become published, even those without celebrity status.

Many of these publishers you mentioned are publishing less than 10% of the submissions they receive, so I don't think they are out to profit from the "poor author;" otherwise, they would publish for everyone who could afford to pay.

CallToDestiny said...

"Many of these publishers you mentioned are publishing less than 10% of the submissions they receive, so I don't think they are out to profit from the "poor author;" otherwise, they would publish for everyone who could afford to pay."

Here's the deal with this comment. Who says that they don't publish everyone who comes along? By saying they publish 10%, or as Tate says, 4%, they make their accepted authors feel really special when accepted. What writer doesn't want to get a letter that says, "We publish 4% of all books submitted and, congrats, you're part of that elite club." The fact that they claim to publish a low percentage doesn't ensure that they do. It could very well be a psychological ploy that distracts you from the scam-i-ness of it all.

Victoria Strauss said...

I agree with CallToDestiny--whatever these publishers may claim about their selectivity, there's no way to know whether they're telling the truth. I suspect a spot check of their books might refute the claims--but I haven't made one, so I can't say for sure.

But Anonymous has missed the point of my post, which is that "stealth" vanity publishers are not honest about what they are. To attract writers, they pose as "traditional" publishers, and don't reveal their fees on their websites or in their promotional literature. Many of the writers I've heard from about these companies have approached them in the belief that they were non-fee publishers, and have been quite surprised to discover that fees were due.

I'd never suggest that any author choose vanity publishing (POD self-publishing is a much better option, IMO). However, vanity publishers like Dorrance and Vantage--while often hugely overpriced--are at least straightforward about their fees and services. That's why you won't see them on Writer Beware's warning lists--and why you do see Tate, New World Media, Durban House, etc.

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Victoria Strauss said...

Adding a link to Bill Elson's comment.

Tate has recently added more fee disclosure to its publishing website, but the website of Tate Music Group doesn't appear to have any fee disclosure at all.